- Quite a number of customers wouldn't have a problem with the resumption of Windows XP. It works for them so why should they upgrade is their argument. Maybe some BBOS users are of the same mindset.03-28-14 04:45 PMLike 4
- I can't believe I read this whole thread, I never do that..lol..anyway, I respect all the opinions here, and I'm still a fan of both BBOS 7 and BB10 for different reasons. I still try to stay hopeful for BB10 to do well. I was surprised to see AT&T bring back the 9900, it's online purchase only, but nonetheless it was interesting to see.3Dee likes this.03-28-14 05:01 PMLike 1
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So, if you're comparing selling it to a BB10 with lesser features....and people want the BBOS with the features they already know and are willing to pay for it again....give it to them.acovey likes this.03-28-14 05:20 PMLike 1 - The "average consumer" doesn't buy blackberry, and especially the 9900. Business people and businesses and people familiar with BlackBerry do.
So, if you're comparing selling it to a BB10 with lesser features....and people want the BBOS with the features they already know and are willing to pay for it again....give it to them.
BYOD is the thing now,and just because you're a business person doesn't mean you know about phones. A lot of business people used to use whatever phone their company handed them. Now less and less companies are handing them anything. They're in the store buying a phone just like any other consumer.
I guess you didn't read where I've said I agree that they should keep making them if they're making money.03-28-14 06:06 PMLike 0 - That was not my experience when I had a 9900, sorry. I had so many device freezes, hour-glasses and reboots on that platform that I left. My iOS, Android, PlayBook and Z10 were all significantly more stable.
also the BIS which is very important for small businesses it's where BlackBerry can monopolize again, there are a number of small and medium sized businesses that refuse to make the switch because of the higher data charges
It keeps getting brought up, but I'm very skeptical of it. If it were the force to reckon with, low cost Androids and Windows Phones should be stopped dead in their tracks in these markets ... and aren't! :-)
The BBOS is also a lot more stable and reliable, the rough start of BlackBerry 10 software
lack of apps being another
Look guys - I agree - BlackBerry OS has things people like about it and has a place in the short term, but it's not a modern platform to run the company off of. Whether it's BlackBerry 10 or Android or Windows Phone, all of those platforms are simply more modern than BlackBerry OS and capable of more things. It's a lot easier to adapt things people liked about BlackBerry OS into them than it is for BlackBerry OS to resolve some of the giant structural issues of the aged heritage that it has.
Let's pretend BlackBerry didn't make BlackBerry 10 any more. Does anyone seriously think that BlackBerry OS suddenly would have had massive sales that caused the needle to move up???boeingrules likes this.03-28-14 06:21 PMLike 1 - That was not my experience when I had a 9900, sorry. I had so many device freezes, hour-glasses and reboots on that platform that I left. My iOS, Android, PlayBook and Z10 were all significantly more stable.
Does anyone have any data that proves that this is the case? That people buying BlackBerry's a) Know what BIS is; b) know how benefits; and c) specifically choose a BlackBerry because of BIS?
It keeps getting brought up, but I'm very skeptical of it. If it were the force to reckon with, low cost Androids and Windows Phones should be stopped dead in their tracks in these markets ... and aren't! :-)
I cannot express how much I completely disagree with this. I absolutely have had some of the issues that others have reported with BlackBerry 10, but it's Nothing in comparison to what I had on my last OS 7 devices. The constant hourglassing, the freezing, the battery pulls etc. Several times a week, I'd be yanking the battery. Nothing QNX based out of BlackBerry (or iOS or Android) has been like that for me.
The app gap is absolutely an issue. But BBOS doesn't solve that. In fact, in many respects, it's worse. You don't have space to install apps. The device slows to a crawl when you do. They all reboot and the device takes 10 minutes to restart. Many of the apps are really simplistic due to COD file limitations and "lowest common device" style development on it. Again, I probably have 15 times the number of apps on my Z10 (and more on my PlayBook) than I ever had on any BlackBerry OS device.
Look guys - I agree - BlackBerry OS has things people like about it and has a place in the short term, but it's not a modern platform to run the company off of. Whether it's BlackBerry 10 or Android or Windows Phone, all of those platforms are simply more modern than BlackBerry OS and capable of more things. It's a lot easier to adapt things people liked about BlackBerry OS into them than it is for BlackBerry OS to resolve some of the giant structural issues of the aged heritage that it has.
Let's pretend BlackBerry didn't make BlackBerry 10 any more. Does anyone seriously think that BlackBerry OS suddenly would have had massive sales that caused the needle to move up???
Posted via CB10acovey and RubberChicken76 like this.03-28-14 06:52 PMLike 2 - BB should just make the Q20 a hybrid and run BB 10 and OS 7. Hopefully business users can then learn to appreciate BB 10.coldRooster likes this.03-28-14 07:06 PMLike 1
- I still call you crazy! It is getting ridiculous but there probably are still far too many sllllooowwly moving public sector bodies and regulated companies that for whatever reason haven't, can't or won't move on from BES5 and BBOS7 yet.
Regulatory certification in countries around the world for new mobile platforms, devices and MDMs (BB10, the phones and BES10) can take ice ages to happen, it usually comes just before the platform and devices become obsolete! So if there is a market there to be sold to, and they will be made and sold profitably (as Chen has said) then it's money waiting to be collected.
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Why do you guess that?03-28-14 09:02 PMLike 0 - as long as it makes you happy that's all that matters right? BBOS 7.1 in full effect! Once you buy this epic legacy device, please post a youtube video with you showcasing the amazing features! Wait... i can just fire up my 9810 again. Lemme pull the battery, hold on.03-28-14 09:29 PMLike 0
- There will be no further development of OS 7. Specs will not be better. This is just continued availability of at least one legacy device, made more profitable through some new contracts. This is really just throwing a life line out to some of BB's biggest customers in big business and government. They need to still have devices, and BB had to be able to not only supply them, but also make money on them (thus the new deal). Once BES12 comes, there will be a big push to get customers moved to it. The transitional device is the Classic (Q20).
BB managed the transition very poorly. They are trying to do it right now, but much of the damage is done. This will help though to retain some of those regulated customers and properly transition them.acovey likes this.03-28-14 09:47 PMLike 1 -
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- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorI find it hard to believe this is more than a provisional move. I have no doubt that there are many corporate customers out there who would prefer to stay on legacy BES for another couple of years or so, and there's the die-hard throwback market, but neither of these is going to last forever.
The legacy BBOS app catalog is actually SHRINKING as developers pull their apps from the market.
All this said, the company wouldn't be doing this if it didn't feel there was still a market for legacy devices. It gives them the opportunity to hold on to customers who might go to other platforms. It will NOT win them any new customers; anybody who's become accustomed to iPhones or half-decent Androids will not be satisfied.
My two questions: how many resources are going into improving BBOS? And are actual new models being developed?03-28-14 11:48 PMLike 2 - I find it hard to believe this is more than a provisional move. I have no doubt that there are many corporate customers out there who would prefer to stay on legacy BES for another couple of years or so, and there's the die-hard throwback market, but neither of these is going to last forever.
The legacy BBOS app catalog is actually SHRINKING as developers pull their apps from the market.
All this said, the company wouldn't be doing this if it didn't feel there was still a market for legacy devices. It gives them the opportunity to hold on to customers who might go to other platforms. It will NOT win them any new customers; anybody who's become accustomed to iPhones or half-decent Androids will not be satisfied.
My two questions: how many resources are going into improving BBOS? And are actual new models being developed?
Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.214103-29-14 01:31 AMLike 2 - 0 resources to improve BBOS. It's kinda like the descriptions on ebay where it says "sold as is". That's BBOS. You're just getting another Bold. nothing to be excited about at all really.03-29-14 01:34 AMLike 4
- I do not understand Chen or his strategy. How many consumers thought that the 9900 was out of production ? Why even make an announcement ? The 9900 is an OK phone but only if you just use the phone to email ,text and make calls. My thoughts are if they want to continue to sell this phone then they should give the consumer some value. A bigger battery, better camera and a browser that is not lagging.
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