[ClintRo]

hahahaha... A..... dont be a hater!!!

LMAO!!

[mayniak]

does it matter which router you have to d this??

[aristile]

hahahaha... A..... dont be a hater!!!

LMAO!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Zing Zing!

[3CISSBB]

Don't fall for it 3C ... he's just trying to hit on you!!!

I'd love to be able to say this comes as a shock to me......BUT......I knew already!

THX for the warning though

[USP45]

Just wanted to clarify - If I have UMA working out of the box (just needed to add my BB's mac address into router and add wep key to BB) then I'm good to go?

And calls I make on my BB are using UMA through the router... and if I don't have Hotspot@Home it just means I'm using normal minutes.

[vinmontRD]

Just wanted to clarify - If I have UMA working out of the box (just needed to add my BB's mac address into router and add wep key to BB) then I'm good to go?

And calls I make on my BB are using UMA through the router... and if I don't have Hotspot@Home it just means I'm using normal minutes.

What I found (and also some others I've compared notes with) is that UMA always connected easily, "right out of the box", and worked well for email, web browsing, SMS, MMS. It was always when I had a voice call that I'd experience the abrupt disconnect within the first few mins -- until I tweaked the settings on my router to make sure:
-- WMM (wireless QoS) was active
-- adjusted the various thresholds I mentioned in my earlier post in the thread

It was also mentioned in the thread that, if your router allows, you can specify QoS by MAC address or service port as well. In general, when specifying QoS rules, it's better to find a single rule that truly identifies traffic to your intended device rather than use multiple rules that are just redundant ways to identify the device. Although it's not a big hit, each additional rule requires the router to do a bit more work, filter data streams in real time and applying the QoS rules to the packets. As long as you find one rule that works reliably for your device, that should be sufficient.

[3CISSBB]

Just wanted to clarify - If I have UMA working out of the box (just needed to add my BB's mac address into router and add wep key to BB) then I'm good to go?

And calls I make on my BB are using UMA through the router... and if I don't have Hotspot@Home it just means I'm using normal minutes.

Correct on all counts.

[sgreer78]

I apologize if it's been asked, or if this is common question, but could anyone tell me in just a yes or no fashion if this will work without having the T-Mobile HotSpot service? It seems by what I've read, that if you have the router, and can configure as outlined in this thread, that it should work regardless? Thanks

[hubermania]

I apologize if it's been asked, or if this is common question, but could anyone tell me in just a yes or no fashion if this will work without having the T-Mobile HotSpot service? It seems by what I've read, that if you have the router, and can configure as outlined in this thread, that it should work regardless? Thanks

The TMo "Unlimited HotSpot Calling" option isn't necessary. Without it, UMA calls come out of your bucket minutes. You DO need a UMA capable carrier (T-Mobile in the U.S.) and a UMA capable phone. You can't get UMA on AT&T and you can't get UMA on an iPhone. Check out AT&T 3G MicroCell and this AT&T MicroCell Article for a similar but costlier AT&T service.

[sgreer78]

Thanks. I currently have a Tour from Verizon, an iPhone, and tomorrow I'm getting a 8900 from T-Mobile to check out the UMA capabilities. So far, at&t has been the only service provider that really works at home. VZW is okay, but nowhere near as good as at&t. Hopefully the 8900 will be just what I need. Fortunately, there is 30 days with VZW to try out the Tour.

On a side note, while at Verizon today, I asked about the Storm2. You'd of thought I asked about child porn with the way the guy looked at me. He said he has no idea when it's coming out...

[cincypiper]

Thanks 3CISSBB!

I have a question about packet loss and diagnosing it on an older router.

I'm using a Linksys wrt614v6, firmware is 2.1.0.19. There is no option for QOS on the router's management, and whaddya know, DDWRT doesn't support my router. I will be applying the port changes you recommmend. I don't really think that will fix my issue, as the NAT setup can't be hitting the processor on the router "that" hard on my mostly unutilized IP network.

I'm curious about what sounds to me like packet loss as I'm talking on the phone using UMA. I have plenty of bandwidth out of the house, and have only two other clients on the wireless router, only one of which is wireless. The other two aren't sending much traffic at all. The antennae is located well, my signal strength to other laptops, etc, are relatively solid all around the house. Noise Strentgh is regularly measured around 26%, not too bad.

During conversation, I get packet drops, or so I think. The symptom is a dropped sylable or 'compressed' space in between words, punctuated by a tinny 'bzzt' sound. This is, to me an indication of VOIP datagram encoding/decoding not having enough data, or that the packets are compressed and decompressed with erratic consistency and regularity.

I'm not really knowledgable to provide a Wireshark sniffing session and figure it out. Any recommendations you can provide would be most welcome.

Thanks

Mike

[EL MAYIMBE]

****UPDATE 7/17/2009****

After seeing so many people posting UMA questions and problems I figured it was time to create a how-to thread explaining the setup.

These settings are for newer Linksys routers. I hope this revision helps. I am not planning on any tutorials for any other brand of router since I only use Linksys and would only recommend them. I have used Linksys for over 15 years and have never had any problems and if it ain't broke...don't fix it.

So here it goes.

• Port Range Forwarding needs to be enabled to allow port 4101 (to and from) for both TCP and UDP and QoS should also be enabled to allow for high or highest priority to your Curve's MAC address. See example below:

Port Range Forwarding




QoS




**Also, as seen in the example above, if your router has a 'WMM' option (Wi-Fi MultiMedia), enable it as well. This helps your router determine which network traffic takes priority.

The HotSpot@Home service relies on the IPSec security protocol to provide secure calling over Wi-Fi. T-Mobile-branded wireless routers are configured to permit IPSec communications by default, but other devices can / may be configured to block IPSec. The firewall policy on your router may have been configured (intentionally or otherwise) to prevent IPSec communications.
In order for IPSec to work, the following ports need to be allowed through the firewall in both directions:
(Note: these only need to be configured manually if you do not have the IPSec Passthrough option on your router)

• UDP port 500 (Internet Key Exchange or �IKE�)
• UDP port 4500 (IPSec/IKE NAT-T)

Many consumer-grade routers, including the T-Mobile branded Wi-Fi router, include a simple check-box that will enable IPSec communications. This option is typically named �Enable IPSec passthrough� or something similar.

IPSec

• Next you need to configure the Blackberry Device Manager. You can find this by right clicking on 'Blackberry Device Manager' which should be located next to the DM icon in your system tray. Choose 'Properties' then go to the 'Blackberry Router Configuration', click 'Add Router' and type in as shown in the example below.

• Last, if there is more than one access point or wireless router and your phone can pick up more than one signal, it may be constantly trying to switch between them. You should go into your Wi-Fi options and UNCHECK allow inter-access point handover.

Following these settings should provide you with the 'seemless' UMA calling as advertised. I have been using these settings since the 8320 was released along with my 8900 and I have never experienced any UMA calling problems.

Some of you may be questioning where I came up with port numbers mentioned in the post. They came from an extensive knowledge of ports and protocols and network engineering experience.

**Explanation about Port 4101**

The port number 4101 is identified with the execution of the BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES) used by the mobile device to communicate with the users computer. This software is used for synchronization of data between the two devices. It also allows the user to perform various functions such as emailing and management of contacts, folders and calendars.

NewOak, prior to its acquisition by Bay Networks, has also been identified to utilize this network communication port in relation to its VPN (Virtual Private Networking) implementation.
This system was in place before the VPN products of NewOak that catered to the IPSec connections.

Port 4101 is still utilized by Blackberry devices for certain data protocols and therefor I still implement it on my network. The settings that I use may or may not work for every user but as a network professional, I find all the settings used have provided me with flawless UMA since T-Mo rolled out the service. I make no guarantees or promises, I simply provide advice (free of charge mind you).

****UPDATE 7/17/2009****

I am adding some screen shots from a newer Linksys router (WRT310N) since there have been some questions about the Blackberry and 'N' routers. In most of the newer Linksys routers, you have an option to allocate an IP address for certain device MAC addresses on the network once connected. You should set one up for your BB so that acquiring an IP address will be smooth when Wi-Fi is turned on.

Here is the first example:



Next is the Basic wireless section. Here is where you'll select G-only for the network mode:



Next is the wireless security. In orer for the Blackberry to operate correctly and securely, the best method of encryption is AES (Advanced Encryption Standard). I use WPA2 Personal on my network:



Last is the QoS section. The newer Linksys routers have several new settings that older models do not. You can now specify specific MAC address for bandwidth allocation. Your BB MAC can be found under

Option --> Status --> WLAN MAC





One other thing you can do if you experience interference or calls dropping is to change the broadcast channel on your router. Most are set to six (6) by default but you can change that and try 11, or any other channel.

i have been reading about the 4101 port, what about if i dont have a bis account its just for personal use only. i have wifi at me house but my DNS runs on a special code and when i try to use it im not connected but it picks up the signal. do u know if u can help me out

[Rra]

3CISSBB,

I have a question regarding the port forwarding section. I am on a netgear router and one of the port forwarding setup questions is the Server IP Address. Which IP address should I use for that? I was under the assumption that this was the router address, but it will not let me use that.

Thanks...

[3CISSBB]

3CISSBB,

I have a question regarding the port forwarding section. I am on a netgear router and one of the port forwarding setup questions is the Server IP Address. Which IP address should I use for that? I was under the assumption that this was the router address, but it will not let me use that.

Thanks...

Netgear routers have long been known to not play well with UMA Wi-Fi devices. As I don't support Netgear I can't give any recommendations other than get a Linksys.

[3CISSBB]

i have been reading about the 4101 port, what about if i dont have a bis account its just for personal use only. i have wifi at me house but my DNS runs on a special code and when i try to use it im not connected but it picks up the signal. do u know if u can help me out

DNS running on special code? I have no idea what you're even talking about.

[3CISSBB]

Thanks 3CISSBB!

I have a question about packet loss and diagnosing it on an older router.

I'm using a Linksys wrt614v6, firmware is 2.1.0.19. There is no option for QOS on the router's management, and whaddya know, DDWRT doesn't support my router. I will be applying the port changes you recommmend. I don't really think that will fix my issue, as the NAT setup can't be hitting the processor on the router "that" hard on my mostly unutilized IP network.

I'm curious about what sounds to me like packet loss as I'm talking on the phone using UMA. I have plenty of bandwidth out of the house, and have only two other clients on the wireless router, only one of which is wireless. The other two aren't sending much traffic at all. The antennae is located well, my signal strength to other laptops, etc, are relatively solid all around the house. Noise Strentgh is regularly measured around 26%, not too bad.

During conversation, I get packet drops, or so I think. The symptom is a dropped sylable or 'compressed' space in between words, punctuated by a tinny 'bzzt' sound. This is, to me an indication of VOIP datagram encoding/decoding not having enough data, or that the packets are compressed and decompressed with erratic consistency and regularity.

I'm not really knowledgable to provide a Wireshark sniffing session and figure it out. Any recommendations you can provide would be most welcome.

Thanks

Mike

It does sound like packet loss. QoS should be located on the submenu of the Applications and Gaming tab. Other devices on the network; whether wireless or not, will have an impact on call quality. Either take them off the nertwork during calls or set up QoS properly and set your BB IP address/MAC to have highest priority.

PS: The amount of bandwidth has nothing to do with call quality. I now run a 30Mbit connection and you still have to setup QoS properly if you want perfect UMA.

[pischke]

Hi, everyone.

BlackBerry n00b here, and I've been having trouble with UMA on my new Curve 8900. I'm having the same problem CincyPiper says he was having above:

During conversation, I get packet drops, or so I think. The symptom is a dropped sylable or 'compressed' space in between words, punctuated by a tinny 'bzzt' sound. This is, to me an indication of VOIP datagram encoding/decoding not having enough data, or that the packets are compressed and decompressed with erratic consistency and regularity.

I can make and complete calls, but I get the same dropped packet symptoms that cincypiper says he's having. The dropped packets seem to happen maybe once or twice a minute, and are very annoying. I can't seem to get rid of them.

I've done the following:
- Tried tweaking the settings on my router (A WRT54G-RG, which I believe is the same or similar to the WRT54G-TM); I've tried all the settings and combinations of settings that I could find on crackberry.com and also on other places on the internet, and none have solved the problem. None of the settings I have found have fixed the problem at all.
- Tried using three other different wireless routers - another Linksys WRT54G, an Apple Airport Extreme N router, and a friend's NetGear router.
- Tried disconnecting all other clients from the router, both wired and wireless, so that my Curve is the only client using the router.
- Tried wiping and reinstalling the OS on the Curve, including upgrading to a beta 5.0.0.348 OS I downloaded online. When that didn't change things, I downgraded back and nothing changed.

My router is a WRT54G-RG with the latest firmware, and my connection is a 10Mbps down/1 Mbps up cable connection.

Nothing I've done has fixed things. I've done everything short of returning the phone and asking for a new one. Am I missing something? Is there any hope here? I feel like I've done everything that can be done by changing my settings or my setup.

[MITCH_ATL]

Thanks 3CISSBB for the UMA router setup instructions they were very helpful in getting UMA configured on my linksys router.

[bound4wb#CB]

I am having trouble getting my UMA to work. I am not worried about it at my house because I always have a strong signal but here is an example. I was at a company meeting all last week and while I could get service in parts of the hotel, other parts I could not. I went into Wi-fi options and connected to the hotel wireless that they had given us a key for and it showed the name of the network at the top of my home screen but I was unable to make any calls or get text or bbms to go through. Is there a setting that needs to be tweaked on the phone? For instance, in my settings, I have "Mobile network preferred" selected. Does this need to be changed when I want to to use wifi?
Thanks for any help that anyone can give me.

[eggnoodle]

I was getting UMA on and off at home wifi. I called tmobile blackberry dept and was told to select wifi preferred. She told me that selecting mobile network preferred, the phone tries to lock into a network 1st instead of wifi. I've been getting UMA at home since I switched to wifi preferred.
Hope this helps.

[fkysmile]

Hello to everyone,

Thank you for all the information above.
I just would like to know how do I find out or how can I see clearly that after all arrangements and set up made is the UMA on my BB working for my phone calls?

The reason why I'm asking is because if I'm using only mobile network to make phone calls it usually does work. Only sometimes I find it difficult to make phone calls. That's why I would like to use UMA but how can I be sure that settings I have made are correct and it's working as in this situation I'm not able to see any difference while doing the actual phone call?

Many thanks.

[joshdav]

hi there, i have recieved a blackberry bold 9700, and have connected up to my wifi, no problems. I can browse the internet, but i cannot make or recieve phonecalls, or txts. This is because the UMA has not been automatically set up, and this may due to the fact, my phone is'nt "branded". Is there something i can download, that will allow me to set up UMA?
thanks

[DIMAN0id]

Pictures deleted. Please update post.

[giorgosh]

How can we find out whether our carrier supports that?

[bbman93]

i have to admit, i'm not sure why this guide even exists. you can just connect to the router on the curve, and UMA works. what is this for exactly?

its not that easy on the pearl does anyone know how to uma on a bb pearl 9105? the uma thing isnt in the same place as you find it on a curve with the wifi settings. is it even possible to uma on a pearl?