Motion launching with Android 7 when 8 is already out
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If I were a top engineer at BB, I'd probably be working on something more important like QNX Auto. The Android project may be staffed with interns for all we know.chi-town311 likes this.10-11-17 10:49 AMLike 1 - That the BlackBerry phones haven't been rooted yet is fairly decent evidence that they've taken effective action at "wrapping" dangerous things in a way that prevents them from being used. Then again I don't have the ability to look at their repos and evaluate what they did; I'm only looking at results (or in this case the last thereof by those who would use said holes to gain root, even for non-nefarious purpose.)
I'd rather BB was more transparent about the scope of their hardening. Or maybe they could sponsor a bounty or pay for white hat research. Maybe BB doesn't take BBAndroid seriously enough to do any of this.
No one has ever broken into my house. That doesn't prove that I have world-class security. It just means well funded criminal enterprises have very little reason to go after it.10-11-17 10:54 AMLike 0 - Or the project has very low funding (shoe string level), and isn't really a very high priority for BlackBerry, Ltd.
If I were a top engineer at BB, I'd probably be working on something more important like QNX Auto. The Android project may be staffed with interns for all we know.10-11-17 11:01 AMLike 0 - Samsung - As far as I know they have it in beta and have been testing it for about a month for the Galaxy line, and have been pushing out a few App updates that will support OREO. That said Samsung probable has hundreds working on both Android and their Apps, but aren't launching anything with OREO this month. At this point I personally doubt BlackBerry could afford more than a dozen developers.
As for the security.... I think too many here give BlackBerry credit where credit isn't due. They are using tools provided by Qualcomm and Google to archive what they are doing for the most part. Think Samsung purposely doesn't lock it's Boot Rom - as they and other OEMs view that as a negative for their overall consumer successes. For the very few devices that are used by Enterprise, Samsung has their Warranty Bit to protect user data if someone tries to Root a stolen phone. That along with a proper UEM... is anything else really necessary for that niche?
I expect BlackBerry Mobile's lack of a roadmap for OREO (or really anything), means it will come.... when it comes. I suspect the "plan" will be to use the higher end all touch as a talking point at CES and MWC, release it soon after with OREO and then offer updates to the existing lines. They won't be the last one issuing updates, nor will the be the first.10-11-17 11:04 AMLike 0 - The market for cybersecurity is about $150 billion, so if it's that easy to harden Android for enterprise, why aren't more companies doing it?
They must all want BlackBerry to succeed!
Posted with my trusty Z1010-11-17 11:04 AMLike 0 - That's a little problematic because there are so few BBAndroid phones out there that the incentive to research and publish an exploit is extremely low.
I'd rather BB was more transparent about the scope of their hardening. Or maybe they could sponsor a bounty or pay for white hat research. Maybe BB doesn't take BBAndroid seriously enough to do any of this.
No one has ever broken into my house. That doesn't prove that I have world-class security. It just means well funded criminal enterprises have very little reason to go after it.
It has never been collected; as far as I know it still stands. I took a reasonable shot at it (why not -- money is money) -- and failed.
Never mind the street cred from cracking an "unbreakable" phone. I remind you that the BlackPhone sold (far) fewer units than the Priv did, yet someone did break into that one (and got quite the bragging rights in doing so.)app_Developer and chi-town311 like this.10-11-17 11:30 AMLike 2 -
Wasn't a market for BB10
Wasn't a market for Silent Circle
Wasn't a market for Boeing, Darpa or a dozen other to keep working on secure smartphones.
Wasn't a market for Samsung to bother doing more than they have.
Hasn't been much of a market for the KEYone yet... haven't heard of even one major "win".
CyberSecurity might be worth BILLIONS... but what is the market for smartphones that are possible/maybe a little better than Samsung KNOX?
Thing is it's about the software, not the hardware... hopefully BlackBerry's UEM and other Enterprise solutions will help them collect a modest portion of those billions.10-11-17 11:38 AMLike 0 - Oh, I didn't know that. That's good to hear.
Never mind the street cred from cracking an "unbreakable" phone. I remind you that the BlackPhone sold (far) fewer units than the Priv did, yet someone did break into that one (and got quite the bragging rights in doing so.)10-11-17 01:53 PMLike 0 - Because there is no market for it?
Wasn't a market for BB10
Wasn't a market for Silent Circle
Wasn't a market for Boeing, Darpa or a dozen other to keep working on secure smartphones.
Wasn't a market for Samsung to bother doing more than they have.
Hasn't been much of a market for the KEYone yet... haven't heard of even one major "win".
CyberSecurity might be worth BILLIONS... but what is the market for smartphones that are possible/maybe a little better than Samsung KNOX?
Thing is it's about the software, not the hardware... hopefully BlackBerry's UEM and other Enterprise solutions will help them collect a modest portion of those billions.
Posted with my trusty Z10Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.10-11-17 03:15 PMLike 1 - So why didn't they tell people who paid £500 for it and expected otherwise that this was going to happen?10-11-17 03:22 PMLike 0
- Bla1zeCB OGHere is what is going to happen. They will release the motion with android 7. And then couple months later we will start complaining why no android 8. Then 1 year later when android 9 is out they will give us android 8 and say thats it we will not update the phone anymore. I will not buy blackberry anymore. I am writing this from my priv that has the same story.
We'll wait.
At best, people will get beta releases over the next few months. Essential, Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, etc. Haven't even quite yet hit their beta releases for Oreo and you're complaining about a device launching with 7.1.1, a perfectly fine and stable release. All of the awaited releases of this year, S8, S8 Plus, Essential Phone even the LGV30 which has started shipping to most folks last week, shipped with 7.1.1 and are left with the promise of Oreo coming as a future upgrade.Dunt Dunt Dunt and TCM01 like this.10-11-17 03:25 PMLike 2 -
Support and patches continue with TCL, so that shouldn't be a problem.
With regards to Nougat, no statement was ever made about it coming to the DTEKs, despite what some people's expectations might have been. So the transfer of responsibility doesn't really factor in.10-11-17 03:25 PMLike 0 -
People want to hold BlackBerry accountable for their own overly optimistic attitudes that "monthly updates " somehow included version upgrades.
Posted with my trusty Z1010-11-17 03:28 PMLike 0 -
We don't know what TCL agreed to do for the DTEKS... don't known when they agreed to start - most still are getting support from BlackBerry for hardware replacements.10-11-17 03:35 PMLike 0 - Priv received single os update.
Dtek50 no os update.
Dtek60 no os update.
Aurora no os update.
Keyone 1 os update coming.
Motion - ?
I think there is a reason why TCL went for same socket 625. It’s very similar to keyone software so it would be easier for blackberry developers to update motion?10-11-17 03:38 PMLike 0 - Please inform us of which phone launched since the release of Oreo is coming with Oreo, aside from the Pixel 2?
We'll wait.
At best, people will get beta releases over the next few months. Essential, Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, etc. Haven't even quite yet hit their beta releases for Oreo and you're complaining about a device launching with 7.1.1, a perfectly fine and stable release. All of the awaited releases of this year, S8, S8 Plus, Essential Phone even the LGV30 which has started shipping to most folks last week, shipped with 7.1.1 and are left with the promise of Oreo coming as a future upgrade.chi-town311 likes this.10-11-17 03:40 PMLike 1 - Bla1zeCB OGAh yes, change your argument when your others have been pointed out to have more holes than swiss cheese, cool. Do tell, what security features are you missing out on that are relevant to end users by not running Oreo out of the box? I'm not saying there isn't any, I'm well aware of a few benefits (Project Treble, Secure Computing filters, etc), but at this point given that BlackBerry's Android still hasn't been rooted, let alone exploited in any demonstrable way from any other versions of Android, what does Oreo contain that you MUST have it to ensure your safety? Setting aside the fact that you seem to not have any interest in the Motion anyway, so naturally, you won't have to worry about it as you won't have one.10-11-17 03:40 PMLike 0
- Priv received single os update.
Dtek50 no os update.
Dtek60 no os update.
Aurora no os update.
Keyone 1 os update coming.
Motion - ?
I think there is a reason why TCL went for same socket 625. It’s very similar to keyone software so it would be easier for blackberry developers to update motion?
Both KEYone and Motion are getting Oreo.
Aurora got the 7.1.1 update from 7.0.10-11-17 03:41 PMLike 0 - Please inform us of which phone launched since the release of Oreo is coming with Oreo, aside from the Pixel 2?
We'll wait.
At best, people will get beta releases over the next few months. Essential, Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, etc. Haven't even quite yet hit their beta releases for Oreo and you're complaining about a device launching with 7.1.1, a perfectly fine and stable release. All of the awaited releases of this year, S8, S8 Plus, Essential Phone even the LGV30 which has started shipping to most folks last week, shipped with 7.1.1 and are left with the promise of Oreo coming as a future upgrade.10-11-17 03:53 PMLike 0 - Ah yes, change your argument when your others have been pointed out to have more holes than swiss cheese, cool. Do tell, what security features are you missing out on that are relevant to end users by not running Oreo out of the box? I'm not saying there isn't any, I'm well aware of a few benefits (Project Treble, Secure Computing filters, etc), but at this point given that BlackBerry's Android still hasn't been rooted, let alone exploited in any demonstrable way from any other versions of Android, what does Oreo contain that you MUST have it to ensure your safety? Setting aside the fact that you seem to not have any interest in the Motion anyway, so naturally, you won't have to worry about it as you won't have one.10-11-17 03:57 PMLike 0
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Posted with my trusty Z1010-11-17 03:57 PMLike 0 - When a galaxy s6 is running android nougat already and Priv that is much newer stuck on marshmallow you have no argument to defend Blackberry.10-11-17 03:59 PMLike 0
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Samsung 's per user cost for the update is 1/500th than what BlackBerry's would be due to sales volumes, so the price for Samsung to keep potential future customers happy is magnitudes less even if BlackBerry was still in the business (or is concerned about future licencing revenues).10-11-17 04:03 PMLike 0 - blackberry is out of handset business is not an excuse. the people that payed over 800$ for a priv when it came out have been duped out. that's not to talk about the dtek buyers being called lab rats and the dtek phone simple test phones. let me remind you that the dtek60 was released at $550 and has not gotten any os update. how can you defend their position on this. remember also that the dteks were marketed as the most secure devices with latest software bla bla. conite I don't know if you work for this forums too but as a costumer you should never defend the corporate position.10-11-17 04:08 PMLike 0
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