Zinqs Launcher for Blackberry 10 users: Bridging the gap from BB10 to Android
- 01-19-18 02:21 PMLike 2
- I never suggested that. Please, read again my post #39
No need to repeat the corporate line again and again. I agree with that, any rational person knows that BB10 is over, there is no argument to make against that.01-19-18 02:25 PMLike 0 - I never suggested that. Please, read again my post #39
No need to repeat the corporate line again and again. I agree with that, any rational person knows that BB10 is over, there is no argument to make against that.01-19-18 02:28 PMLike 0 - Yep, my point is if BlackBerry wanted, they could have done at least some basic maintenance with a very small team of developers. I'm talking about 10 people or less. Financially insignificant for a large corporation, and with all the time in the world cause no one is really rushing them... and again, no big improvements or major development, just minimum maintenance.01-19-18 02:29 PMLike 0
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I'm just highlighting the fact that the argument against that was always that it will cost millions and tons of developers.01-19-18 02:30 PMLike 0 - I'm not! I'm not asking anything. I was just saying that it was completely possible, with a minimum amount of money and a pretty small group a people to push some minor updates. Not now, not today, a couple years back.
I'm just highlighting the fact that the argument against that was always that it will cost millions and tons of developers.
They also threw in some incremental app updates.
The business outlook was no different then than it is now.01-19-18 02:34 PMLike 0 -
It was repeated to exhaustion all over the forums that to maintain or ever just give some minor upgrades here and them "will cost millions and tons of developers".
And even this argument was used to justify the end of security patches for the Priv, Dteks, etc.01-19-18 02:59 PMLike 0 - That's ok, I'm not arguing that.
It was repeated to exhaustion all over the forums that to maintain or ever just give some minor upgrades here and them "will cost millions and tons of developers".
And even this argument was used to justify the end of security patches for the Priv, Dteks, etc.
Not so much for the Priv. That was just a business decision.01-19-18 03:20 PMLike 0 -
Now do I think BB cares - probably not a whit!01-19-18 04:04 PMLike 0 - BB is still selling a product. Maybe not directly to me or other consumers but to BB Mobile. If folks get tired of waiting for improvements in the Hub or fixes, they might stop buying the BB Mobile product and BB Mobile might stop buying/licensing BB's software. Indirect, possibly but one can't say that BB is not serving consumers of one sort or another.
Now do I think BB cares - probably not a whit!FF22 likes this.01-19-18 04:09 PMLike 1 - Adding to questions/issues about this new launcher:
Why does it need that wide range of Permissions. Sorry, but I'm more and more reluctant to grant such a wide range of permissions:
Identity
find accounts on the device
Contacts
find accounts on the device
read your contacts
Location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
Phone
directly call phone numbers
modify phone state
read call log
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
choose widgets
modify battery statistics
modify secure system settings
view network connections
pair with Bluetooth devices
access Bluetooth settings
change network connectivity
connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi
full network access
change your audio settings
draw over other apps
modify system settings
set an alarm
Identity
find accounts on the device - [Shakir]. We need this to find whom to request the payment for
Contacts
find accounts on the device [Shakir ] To translate your SMS phone numbers to human readable contact name]
read your contacts [Shakir ] Need to query the contacts database so we can show you who you got messages from
Location
approximate location (network-based) [Shakir ] Most phones won't turn on WIFI, without this option. We need this for Android 6.0 and above i believe
precise location (GPS and network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS) [Shakir ] We need to show messages in Hub
receive text messages (SMS)
Phone
directly call phone numbers [Shakir ] We have call permission for hub. You can directly initiate a phone call (Yet to be implemented)
modify phone state [Shakir ] This is broad, one of the things we modify is, Airplane mode
read call log [Shakir ] We need this for Hub
read phone status and identity [Shakir ] We need this to show the indicators of connection strength
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] We have a backup your customization which requires USB access.
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] We need write permission to store customizations. Other option is to store in cloud
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] Explain before
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] Explained before
Camera
take pictures and videos [Shakir ] We need to to trigger camera and the flash light
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections [Shakir ] To turn on and off WIFI
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity [Shakir ] We need to get the SIM status to show "SIM not detected"
Other
choose widgets [Shakir ] For widgets
modify battery statistics [Shakir ] The battery icon is based on this
modify secure system settings [Shakir ] We write things to system like Hotspot enable /disable
view network connections [Shakir ] WIFI permissions to get your SSID and show it to the user
pair with Bluetooth devices [Shakir ] We trigger the pair once bluetooth is turn on
access Bluetooth settings
change network connectivity
connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi [Shakir ] for WIFI
full network access [Shakir ] Not sure about this, but will check
change your audio settings [Shakir ] We may not need this, as we don't have a volume control now
draw over other apps [Shakir ] To tap into latest Android features
modify system settings
set an alarm [Shakir ] This i can check. I believe we use it for clock
---Shakir01-20-18 12:43 AMLike 4 - I am one of those who thinks my Z30 is the absolutely perfect phone (business owner) EXCEPT for the fact that it has finally gotten to the point where the lack of apps is causing pain. Have been dragging my feet on move to Android (Keyone or other) for over a year because I do not want to give up BB10 productivity. This new launcher is a dream come true assuming it survives and all the kinks get worked out, as now i can see a path to having my "blackberry" with access to all the Android apps.01-20-18 11:59 AMLike 0
- I am one of those who thinks my Z30 is the absolutely perfect phone (business owner) EXCEPT for the fact that it has finally gotten to the point where the lack of apps is causing pain. Have been dragging my feet on move to Android (Keyone or other) for over a year because I do not want to give up BB10 productivity. This new launcher is a dream come true assuming it survives and all the kinks get worked out, as now i can see a path to having my "blackberry" with access to all the Android apps.01-20-18 12:10 PMLike 0
- Adding to questions/issues about this new launcher:
Why does it need that wide range of Permissions. Sorry, but I'm more and more reluctant to grant such a wide range of permissions:
Identity
find accounts on the device
Contacts
find accounts on the device
read your contacts
Location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
Phone
directly call phone numbers
modify phone state
read call log
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
choose widgets
modify battery statistics
modify secure system settings
view network connections
pair with Bluetooth devices
access Bluetooth settings
change network connectivity
connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi
full network access
change your audio settings
draw over other apps
modify system settings
set an alarm
I quickly delete any app that doesn't give me 100% confidence.
How extreme is this? I don't know, but, for example, my browsers aren't allowed to know my location unless I allow that permission for a single session.
Posted with my trusty Z10FF22 likes this.01-20-18 03:08 PMLike 1 -
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- @FF22, here is why we ask for these (inline explanation).
Identity
find accounts on the device - [Shakir]. We need this to find whom to request the payment for
Contacts
find accounts on the device [Shakir ] To translate your SMS phone numbers to human readable contact name]
read your contacts [Shakir ] Need to query the contacts database so we can show you who you got messages from
Location
approximate location (network-based) [Shakir ] Most phones won't turn on WIFI, without this option. We need this for Android 6.0 and above i believe
precise location (GPS and network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS) [Shakir ] We need to show messages in Hub
receive text messages (SMS)
Phone
directly call phone numbers [Shakir ] We have call permission for hub. You can directly initiate a phone call (Yet to be implemented)
modify phone state [Shakir ] This is broad, one of the things we modify is, Airplane mode
read call log [Shakir ] We need this for Hub
read phone status and identity [Shakir ] We need this to show the indicators of connection strength
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] We have a backup your customization which requires USB access.
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] We need write permission to store customizations. Other option is to store in cloud
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] Explain before
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage [Shakir ] Explained before
Camera
take pictures and videos [Shakir ] We need to to trigger camera and the flash light
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections [Shakir ] To turn on and off WIFI
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity [Shakir ] We need to get the SIM status to show "SIM not detected"
Other
choose widgets [Shakir ] For widgets
modify battery statistics [Shakir ] The battery icon is based on this
modify secure system settings [Shakir ] We write things to system like Hotspot enable /disable
view network connections [Shakir ] WIFI permissions to get your SSID and show it to the user
pair with Bluetooth devices [Shakir ] We trigger the pair once bluetooth is turn on
access Bluetooth settings
change network connectivity
connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi [Shakir ] for WIFI
full network access [Shakir ] Not sure about this, but will check
change your audio settings [Shakir ] We may not need this, as we don't have a volume control now
draw over other apps [Shakir ] To tap into latest Android features
modify system settings
set an alarm [Shakir ] This i can check. I believe we use it for clock
---Shakir
In the end, we usually err on the side of caution, which means we don't generally approve apps from small companies. That of course means we lose out on lots of great products from talented devs.
Your communication on these forums is a great example of that!
Posted with my trusty Z1001-20-18 03:44 PMLike 0 -
I find the interface in the Android Hub to be really cluttered and frustrating, compared to BB10, and the lack of integration for third party apps like Slack turns the Hub into little more than another notification tray.
Posted with my trusty Z1001-20-18 03:49 PMLike 0 - My policy is not to.install any app that I don't absolutely need and only give it the permissions that I absolutely want to grant. Finally. I monitor my apps to make sure they don't do anything they shouldn't. (Thank you DTEK!)
I quickly delete any app that doesn't give me 100% confidence.
How extreme is this? I don't know, but, for example, my browsers aren't allowed to know my location unless I allow that permission for a single session.
Posted with my trusty Z1001-20-18 04:48 PMLike 0 - Adding to questions/issues about this new launcher:
Why does it need that wide range of Permissions. Sorry, but I'm more and more reluctant to grant such a wide range of permissions:
Identity
find accounts on the device
Contacts
find accounts on the device
read your contacts
Location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
Phone
directly call phone numbers
modify phone state
read call log
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
choose widgets
modify battery statistics
modify secure system settings
view network connections
pair with Bluetooth devices
access Bluetooth settings
change network connectivity
connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi
full network access
change your audio settings
draw over other apps
modify system settings
set an alarm01-20-18 08:38 PMLike 0
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