- Just a thought. Thanks to Cobalt's solution, anyone with an all touch Android device can pretty much make their own BlackBerry Hamburg (no DTEK, Productivity Edge, but that's about it) in varying sizes and form factors. Given that it's going to be a mid-range device, I wonder why BlackBerry didn't put a higher priority on the device that you can't install anywhere else - the next touch capacitive Android pkb device?
My guess is the mid-range Hamburg isn't going to turn any eyes at carrier stores or with most consumers. And a lot of BlackBerry fans of their software (Hub, keyboard) have already installed Cobalt's solution no doubt.
Is it to provide a potential upgrade path for loyal Z30/Leap/etc users? Or leave some time for Priv users to upgrade? Is it an enterprise play where that base is asking for a cheaper all touch? Or is it logistics - it's easier, cheaper and quicker to make the all touch version and get it to market?
The Priv was overpriced for the market imho, and my gut sense is that many BlackBerry fans who passed on the Priv might take a leap (ha) at the cheaper Rome device. I'm considering it myself, though I'd prefer a wider Passport form factor (one day I can still hope).
The Rome may not do well either, it'll definitely give an indication of how many PKB diehards are left these days. But my thought is just that it would be better to release that device as soon as possible before even more leave the flock...esd820 likes this.06-09-16 11:47 AMLike 1 - In my mind if you are pushing for existing BlackBerry fleet customers and want them to make this change to Android... really should release both of these fleet devcies about the same time. And while we don't have data to prove it... I think the non-pkb is probable the more popular design even among BlackBerry fleet users. I saw a lot more post from BlackBerry about big orders for the LEAP than I did for the Classic.06-09-16 11:54 AMLike 0
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- In my mind if you are pushing for existing BlackBerry fleet customers and want them to make this change to Android... really should release both of these fleet devcies about the same time. And while we don't have data to prove it... I think the non-pkb is probable the more popular design even among BlackBerry fleet users. I saw a lot more post from BlackBerry about big orders for the LEAP than I did for the Classic.06-09-16 12:00 PMLike 0
- I think BlackBerrys best move is to release both devices at once. I think releasing the Hamburgler first will only make the diehards who will purchase first week wait longer and then there will be lackluster sales because those who want an all-touch can get that somewhere else.
At the same time, there are probably corporate entities and government agencies that are waiting on the Hamburg and you definitely don't want to wait... So it's a double edge sword in a sense.
"Damned if you, damned if you don't."06-09-16 01:51 PMLike 0 - I think BlackBerrys best move is to release both devices at once. I think releasing the Hamburgler first will only make the diehards who will purchase first week wait longer and then there will be lackluster sales because those who want an all-touch can get that somewhere else.
At the same time, there are probably corporate entities and government agencies that are waiting on the Hamburg and you definitely don't want to wait... So it's a double edge sword in a sense.
"Damned if you, damned if you don't."06-09-16 02:07 PMLike 0 - I guess it's not interesting enough to discuss in advance...
We'll just have to wait until the devices are released and then the usual experts will weigh in with sudden 20/20 vision as to why BlackBerry failed... Seems to be the way things are discussed here, lol.06-09-16 05:58 PMLike 0 - If reports in the news here on CB are to be believed, PKB only attracts the BlackBerry faithful, a tiny percentage of smartphone customers.
Carriers have found that the Priv's keyboard attracts existing/old BlackBerry users but that Android puts a lot of them off and they return the phone, if the report is to be believed.
So that could be a big reason why Hamburg is coming first before Rome, if Rome is even still a thing that's coming, there have been rumours already that it isn't anymore. Perhaps based on those PKB/Android findings.
Posted from the CB10 app on my BlackBerry Z30 STA100-2/10.3.2.2789 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.6.2806-09-16 06:51 PMLike 0 - If reports in the news here on CB are to be believed, PKB only attracts the BlackBerry faithful, a tiny percentage of smartphone customers.
Carriers have found that the Priv's keyboard attracts existing/old BlackBerry users but that Android puts a lot of them off and they return the phone, if the report is to be believed.
So that could be a big reason why Hamburg is coming first before Rome, if Rome is even still a thing that's coming, there have been rumours already that it isn't anymore. Perhaps based on those PKB/Android findings.
Posted from the CB10 app on my BlackBerry Z30 STA100-2/10.3.2.2789 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.6.28
I personally believe that if BlackBerry wants to sell consumers on the PKB they need to release a device like the Passport which is uncompromisingly a PKB device... Just my personal belief.06-09-16 07:03 PMLike 0 -
- Announcing release dates, or announcing announcements for release dates as soon?JeepBB and Barbareren like this.06-11-16 07:17 AMLike 2
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I think we all know handset sales will be a near disaster, hopefully they've made more headway on software revenues.
Either way, I want to see more on Rome, regardless of how many ancient pkb enthusiasts like myself are left, lol.
Posted via CB1006-11-16 07:41 AMLike 0 - He's gonna have to announce something I'd think. They'll be asking about the AT&T insider info on Priv returns, the CBC Report on sharing with law enforcement...
I think we all know handset sales will be a near disaster, hopefully they've made more headway on software revenues.
Either way, I want to see more on Rome, regardless of how many ancient pkb enthusiasts like myself are left, lol.
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Posted via CB1006-11-16 08:48 AMLike 0 - Might sound like a conspiracy theory but now that I think about it... the negative news flowing lately, i.e "anonymous" AT&T exec speaking about the Priv's crappy sales, T-Mobile dropping the Priv and "anonymous" insider leaking about turning info over "ethically", seems awfully close to the earnings release. Coincidence?06-11-16 09:32 AMLike 0
- Hold on, let me get a fresh sheet and wrap it around my head, lol.
Could be, that seems to have happened in the past. Do a lot of people still short the stock? Not much of a market player, but I could believe it's possible (though not necessarily true).
Ten years ago nobody would have believed that all the intelligence agencies were intercepting everyone's emails, texts, calls, browsing history, etc. but here we are....
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Anyway, I still want to see the specs on the Rome, and hope they release it sooner than later. Clock's a tickin'.
Posted via CB1006-11-16 10:59 AMLike 0 - Might sound like a conspiracy theory but now that I think about it... the negative news flowing lately, i.e "anonymous" AT&T exec speaking about the Priv's crappy sales, T-Mobile dropping the Priv and "anonymous" insider leaking about turning info over "ethically", seems awfully close to the earnings release. Coincidence?
Murder and rivalry: The intercepted BlackBerry messages of the Montreal Mafia - The Globe and Mailbooker1953 likes this.06-11-16 01:49 PMLike 1 - As somebody who bought (and quickly returned) the Priv, I can attest to the fact it's not just Android (and it's top-centric navigation), but the keyboard itself that is absolutely awful, and the device is just too big, especially with the keyboard in place.
It's funny, as a result, I was almost ready to be done with Blackberry, and move onto Samsung, but instead have held out hopes that they will introduce a Q10 or Classic-sized device with a PKB running android, reverting back to a 3-year old Q10 with a finicky charge port and battery that has gone to crap.
When you hear foolish things like "let's release the mid-range, full touch device first, because that appeals to the masses", it's blatantly obvious that Blackberry still doesn't get it. There's absolutely nothing that differentiates them with a device like that, in fact, their name alone probably a detractor from sales from somebody who's never had a Blackberry.
They've repeated this mistake ever since the Bold 9000, where they foolishly try to compete in the full-touch device market, with a inferior OS (BB10 to Android/iOS), but making those their flagship phones. Their path to success, lies in continuously upgrading their loyal customers and getting back people who were faced with the choice between apps and their beloved keyboard. I'm running a 3-year old Q10 that is literally dying. I know a quite a few others, still running Bold 9900s. They haven't introduced a new phone for this segment in 2 years. In terms of gettting people back, they will come, but they're not going to come for a "midrange touch device" that offers no differntiation from a lower-end Samsung, HTC, or whatever it is. They'll come back for their keyboard.
Give us android & the apps that you just can't get on BB10, but give it to us in a package that still allows it to be a 1-handed, physical keyboard device. Every year, rinse and repeat, upgrading cameras, battery life, screen density, processor, whatever.CmdrStraker and Barbareren like this.06-15-16 09:12 AMLike 2 - As somebody who bought (and quickly returned) the Priv, I can attest to the fact it's not just Android (and it's top-centric navigation), but the keyboard itself that is absolutely awful, and the device is just too big, especially with the keyboard in place.
It's funny, as a result, I was almost ready to be done with Blackberry, and move onto Samsung, but instead have held out hopes that they will introduce a Q10 or Classic-sized device with a PKB running android, reverting back to a 3-year old Q10 with a finicky charge port and battery that has gone to crap.
When you hear foolish things like "let's release the mid-range, full touch device first, because that appeals to the masses", it's blatantly obvious that Blackberry still doesn't get it. There's absolutely nothing that differentiates them with a device like that, in fact, their name alone probably a detractor from sales from somebody who's never had a Blackberry.
They've repeated this mistake ever since the Bold 9000, where they foolishly try to compete in the full-touch device market, with a inferior OS (BB10 to Android/iOS), but making those their flagship phones. Their path to success, lies in continuously upgrading their loyal customers and getting back people who were faced with the choice between apps and their beloved keyboard. I'm running a 3-year old Q10 that is literally dying. I know a quite a few others, still running Bold 9900s. They haven't introduced a new phone for this segment in 2 years. In terms of gettting people back, they will come, but they're not going to come for a "midrange touch device" that offers no differntiation from a lower-end Samsung, HTC, or whatever it is. They'll come back for their keyboard.
Give us android & the apps that you just can't get on BB10, but give it to us in a package that still allows it to be a 1-handed, physical keyboard device. Every year, rinse and repeat, upgrading cameras, battery life, screen density, processor, whatever.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android06-15-16 09:44 AMLike 0 -
My guess is the mid-range Hamburg isn't going to turn any eyes at carrier stores or with most consumers. And a lot of BlackBerry fans of their software (Hub, keyboard) have already installed Cobalt's solution no doubt.
The Rome may not do well either, it'll definitely give an indication of how many PKB diehards are left these days. But my thought is just that it would be better to release that device as soon as possible before even more leave the flock...
I love the PRIV's form factor (had a 9810 slider previously), but just cannot justify the cost involved.
So, I would heavily consider the Rome (PKB) device, especially if the price winds up as affordable.
It's a bit strange, but I have NO interest in a non-PKB device - I genuinely hate the on-screen keyboards. If BB ever stops making phones I am going to be one confused and frustrated puppy.anon(9353145) and Barbareren like this.06-15-16 11:49 AMLike 2
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