[crackbb10]

I would have loved a BlackBerry 10 version. It still runs the 2-3 Android apps I use and the HUB and UX are still second to none IMO. I upgrade my phone every year, I love my daily gadget, and there's no upgrade anymore. What's a man to do?

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[crackbb10]

In a way I can see how many of the "hangers on" should be able to use what they want, as long as it meets their needs. BB10 and even BBOS might get them by for years to come.

BUT.... BBOS and BB10 users that want a future BlackBerry or want a future PKB device need to VOTE now with their wallet, or there might not be either of those options. We are down to a very small niche and every "vote" counts.

Me, I prefer VKB...

I do agree. Been doing this for years *lol* wish it worked for BlackBerry 10. It might work for BlackBerry Android.

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[medic22003]

I'm a little shocked that there are still some folks who haven't moved on. BB10 is dead. As it should be. I'm thankful BlackBerry the company survived the mistake that was BB10 and I don't understand why this thread is in the Android BlackBerry phone section of these forums.

Is it May 31st yet?

Bb10 was only a mistake because they waited too long to do it. It was great when it was being developed. I'd still be using it if it was.

[Carjackd]

The writing has been on the wall for over a couple years now. For the ones that missed the wall....BB10 is Dead!

[krazyatom]

BB10 is like a zombie! Keep coming back

[Carjackd]

BB10 is like a zombie! Keep coming back

Shoot it between the eyes!!!

[anon(2313227)]

Bb10 was only a mistake because they waited too long to do it. It was great when it was being developed. I'd still be using it if it was.

Regardless how we got there, it doesn't matter, we are now here where BB10 IS dead. Look ahead of else you are doomed to fail again looking back too long.

[bobshine]

I can confirm this. My wife dtek50 getting too slow with only a dozen apps. Constantly clearing cache to make space for google bloated cache. Battery is about the same as my old q5. Bit the bullet to support bbdroid, settle for an a-okay phone.

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The reason the phone slows down is that she keeps clearing cache... it forced apps to redraw!

[Adam Frix]

It seems to me that a lot of things that are simple with BB10 are much more complex with Android

Nope.

It's simply a matter of you knowing how to do it on one platform, and not knowing how to do it on another platform.

Don't mistake your not knowing how to do something as meaning therefore that that something is "more complex" than what you do know how to do.

[Shintocam]

Nope.

It's simply a matter of you knowing how to do it on one platform, and not knowing how to do it on another platform.

Don't mistake your not knowing how to do something as meaning therefore that that something is "more complex" than what you do know how to do.

Sorry but I disagree. There are several examples on here asking how to do things that are straight forward on BB10 that either cannot be done on Android or are more complex. Often I agree it is trivial. But not always. While perhaps not the best example there is an entire thread on here talking about the steps needed in android to duplicate the elegant BB10 ability to drag down the shade to enable bedside mode with do not disturb etc....

It's like comparing OSX Win10 and Linux which I do all the time. Somethings are easy to do in one and not in the other. To suggest all OSs can do the same things with the same degree of ease is disingenuous at best.

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[Troy Tiscareno]

Both Philips ( V2000) and Sony (Betamax) refused to move into adult movie rental industries whereas VHS did.

Not true at all. Beta's strongest market was rental porn, in fact, where it was the perfect fit for the typical 1-hour porn movie from the late 70s-mid-80s.

The single biggest reason that Beta failed is because the standard tape length was 1 hour, while most movies are about 2 hours - which meant having to have 2 tapes per movie and switching tapes half-way through. Sony eventually created an EP (extended play) mode that slowed the tape, but also came with lower quality video and audio, and you also had to use thinner, more fragile tape in order to get 2 hours on a tape.

Think a further development of Betamax is still used for professional film making.

Not for a while now, though BetaCam (a professional variation that wasn't directly compatible with consumer BetaMax) continued, with several upgrades, including DigitalBeta (90s) and HDCAM (a hi-def-capable digital format evolved from DigiBeta) up to the early-2010s - mostly by news crews.

Modern cameras write to hard drives and/or memory cards. Tape of any format is too slow and too fragile, and the amount of data is too large. Modern formats can go directly into an editor without conversion or loading from tape, and cameras no longer need a complex and fragile tape system.

Digital movie cameras were largely hard-drive based since their introduction (Star Wars Ep 1 was filmed with a prototype Sony HDW-F900 "CineAlta" - a Panavised high-end pro HD camera at the time) that wrote directly to hard drive. Ep2 was filmed on a newer, production-run Sony HDW-F950 CineAlta.

This allowed uploading of the "dailies" directly to Skywalker Ranch the same day they were shot, where all of the various digital artists could be given access to the parts they needed to do their part, and where re-shoot decisions could be made before leaving a location.

[bobshine]

Sorry but I disagree. There are several examples on here asking how to do things that are straight forward on BB10 that either cannot be done on Android or are more complex. Often I agree it is trivial. But not always. While perhaps not the best example there is an entire thread on here talking about the steps needed in android to duplicate the elegant BB10 ability to drag down the shade to enable bedside mode with do not disturb etc....

It's like comparing OSX Win10 and Linux which I do all the time. Somethings are easy to do in one and not in the other. To suggest all OSs can do the same things with the same degree of ease is disingenuous at best.

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Yeah but there are also lots and lots of limitations to BB10.... for instance the simple things as to install certain apps... on BB10 you need to go through all that side loading process.

[jakie55]

Let's not assume that everyone is in the dark or in denial in regards to their use of BB10 devices. I know a lot of folks that work in corporations or professional service firms that are hanging on to their BB10 devices, not because they expect some miraculous resurrection, but because their only other option is iOS and they don't want to move to it. Android, while it would appear to be the choice of many former BB10 users, isn't widely accepted in the corporate world due to a perceived issue with excessive malware or security concerns. As such, most of them are pushing their employees to iOS and are denying any Android (including Secured Android) in their environments.

I have a relative who is required to use his Q10 work ohone, which he HATES! I don't blame him, because all he can do with it is corporate emails. He has to carry two devices. I hope he gets a KEYone as a replacement.

[johnsliderbb]

Not true at all. Beta's strongest market was rental porn, in fact, where it was the perfect fit for the typical 1-hour porn movie from the late 70s-mid-80s.

Aha. Here in Philipsland failure of V2000 is always given as porn related. "Just like Betamax" is than quoted as well. Interesting for Betamax its not true. Thanks for clarification.


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[johnsliderbb]

Yeah but there are also lots and lots of limitations to BB10.... for instance the simple things as to install certain apps... on BB10 you need to go through all that side loading process.

Leave it to Troy to explain why for BlackBerry it was not allowed to put on the Playstore on BB10. This is lawyers stopping engineers.

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[app_Developer]

Leave it to Troy to explain why for BlackBerry it was not allowed to put on the Playstore on BB10. This is lawyers stopping engineers.

Engineers like business models just as much as lawyers do! It's how we get paid.

Google Play is meant to attract users and developers to Android and keep them there. Google isn't going to give that away to other tiny operating systems. I'm sure most engineers at Google understand why.

[johnsliderbb]

Yes, and?

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[texn884]

I know, I know. There are probably a billion threads like this that I haven't seen. But seriously, BB10 diehards won't buy the KEYone because it runs Android. The OS is basically just software. Why can't it be an option to have BB10 loaded on the phone? It could have an extra price so BB gets the money they want to keep developing BB10, and sales would be higher for basically free. Win-win.

Because BB10 is dead get over it and move on

[Shintocam]

Yeah but there are also lots and lots of limitations to BB10.... for instance the simple things as to install certain apps... on BB10 you need to go through all that side loading process.

Indeed I have no doubt that as with everything in life there will be things that I find Android does much better. That's the whole reason there is choice out there which is great. I'm cautiously optimistic about the switch once I can get a KeyOne from Telus...

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[Troy Tiscareno]

Aha. Here in Philipsland failure of V2000 is always given as porn related.

That part may well be true. There isn't a lot of information about V2000 available, but I've done lots of research on 80's-and-later video formats (and used many of them myself, as well as 70's 3/4" stuff in the mid-80s). The Japanese had no issue with porn if it would help sell their products, though. It was really short-sighted of Sony to accept a design that wouldn't accommodate a common 2-hour Hollywood movie, though. It goes to show that you can make 900 smart decisions and 1 bad one and still have an overall failure in the market with that product...

[Alpha Bao]

I know, I know. There are probably a billion threads like this that I haven't seen. But seriously, BB10 diehards won't buy the KEYone because it runs Android. The OS is basically just software. Why can't it be an option to have BB10 loaded on the phone? It could have an extra price so BB gets the money they want to keep developing BB10, and sales would be higher for basically free. Win-win.

Actually, I also like BB10, it's really a good OS. BB10 can also sideload android APK, it's really good to continue with BB10. but the reality is BB10 already end of life, even early than windows mobile. Android has Google and the whole ecosystem, BB10, Firefox OS, Windows Mobile etc. can't beat with Android.

[joeldf]

That part may well be true. There isn't a lot of information about V2000 available, but I've done lots of research on 80's-and-later video formats (and used many of them myself, as well as 70's 3/4" stuff in the mid-80s). The Japanese had no issue with porn if it would help sell their products, though. It was really short-sighted of Sony to accept a design that wouldn't accommodate a common 2-hour Hollywood movie, though. It goes to show that you can make 900 smart decisions and 1 bad one and still have an overall failure in the market with that product...

To keep drifting on this little side track, porn has been often stated as the reason Betamax lost the first home video format war. But, the bigger reason was licensing. Sony wouldn't license the format out to other companies to make the tapes or machines. JVC, the VHS owner did. Betamax launched in '75 with only Sony made products. VHS launched in '77 with several vendors and more to choose from at a much cheaper price. Cheaper compared to Sony - it was still expensive as heck then. The available recording times really only sealed the deal. In that first year of VHS' existence, it already took 40% of the market. Porn wouldn't have had enough time to make that kind of difference.


Joel

[maranr]

Let it go. Yes BB10 was a better OS but what are going to do.

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[Troy Tiscareno]

To keep drifting on this little side track, porn has been often stated as the reason Betamax lost the first home video format war. But, the bigger reason was licensing. Sony wouldn't license the format out to other companies to make the tapes or machines.

That was true at first, but Sony did eventually (I think '79 or '80) license the technology, and a number of companies made them, including Pioneer, Sanyo, Toshiba, Zenith, and Sears.

The biggest obstacle was that tape length issue, which was exacerbated when video rental started to explode in the early 1980s. Keeping track of 2 tapes per movie was a significant cost: initial purchase, storage space, and the difficulty customers had with 2 tapes. Consumers strongly preferred the single-tape solution, and so did rental stores.

[spantch101]

So much more than "Just software" it's not like loading a Linux distribution on a pc. Any new hardware the keyone has would need drivers buikt to support the bb10 os. Now I'd love a newer BlackBerry 10 device but could never revert to using it as my only device with the current lack of app support.