What can BlackBerry do to protect our privacy from Google?
- I guess this is the real question from a lot of BlackBerry 10 users, and not only. Since so many people ask "What's so special in a device secured by BlackBerry, if it's running android anyway?". And this is a fair question, to which at least I don't have an honest answer I'd believe in.
All that effort that BlackBerry does to protect us from external "dangers" like DTEK, Privacy Shade, encryption and all that is fine. But I really think google can do it's job to protect all of android smartphones itself. Sure it's better to have these too, but they aren't that critical, in my opinion. So BlackBerry is "helping Google" to protect blackberry-android users from external dangers, that'd be the formula we have right now.
But since we know "what google does for living", that being data collection and advertising (at least that's what we can know) how is BlackBerry gonna protect us from that?
Can BlackBerry build a secure ecosystem on top of android? (I think this would be the perfect option)
To what extent can BlackBerry change android infrastructure in order to obtain the control and at the same time to have all the android functionality work?09-23-17 07:50 AMLike 4 - I guess this is the real question from a lot of BlackBerry 10 users, and not only. Since so many people ask "What's so special in a device secured by BlackBerry, if it's running android anyway?". And this is a fair question, to which at least I don't have an honest answer I'd believe in.
All that effort that BlackBerry does to protect us from external "dangers" like DTEK, Privacy Shade, encryption and all that is fine. But I really think google can do it's job to protect all of android smartphones itself. Sure it's better to have these too, but they aren't that critical, in my opinion. So BlackBerry is "helping Google" to protect blackberry-android users from external dangers, that'd be the formula we have right now.
But since we know "what google does for living", that being data collection and advertising (at least that's what we can know) how is BlackBerry gonna protect us from that?
Can BlackBerry build a secure ecosystem on top of android? (I think this would be the perfect option)
To what extent can BlackBerry change android infrastructure in order to obtain the control and at the same time to have all the android functionality work?
Posted via CB1009-23-17 07:56 AMLike 2 -
Ok, say we accept all their "terms", we get a gmail to sign in and then we also use a BlackBerry ID to sign into an ecosystem built on top of their interface that wouldn't communicate with their services. How possible would that be? Or if google would spot this, do you think they'd "ban" us?
Android is build on Java, and we could use this language to secure our ecosystem in any way we'd want (theoretically).09-23-17 08:07 AMLike 0 - Is there a way for BB to scramble the data before handing them to google? The idea is not to render the data useless, au contraire, it’s to keep their usefulness while making it impossible to trace it back to the sourceanon(8679041) and anon(3641385) like this.09-23-17 08:14 AMLike 2
- Google is very clear about their privacy policy and how data is used. https://privacy.google.com/your-data.html
Google services are integral to a fully functioning Android device. It boils down to the fact that if you can't or won't accept their terms, close all google accounts and go to iOS. Though Apple collects data about you as well...09-23-17 08:15 AMLike 0 - Actually, no. You can use the "Android" part of the phone without handing over your data to Google. Android itself is open-source and doesn't contain any code to secretly send over your data to Google. At most, some anonymous(!) data is collected for the Android team to analyse which features people actually use.
Only when you connect your phone to a Google account, there are various things you could send to Google. But you get asked for each and every one and whether you accept to send them. And of course you can deny those requests.09-23-17 09:43 AMLike 0 - Actually, no. You can use the "Android" part of the phone without handing over your data to Google. Android itself is open-source and doesn't contain any code to secretly send over your data to Google. At most, some anonymous(!) data is collected for the Android team to analyse which features people actually use.
Only when you connect your phone to a Google account, there are various things you could send to Google. But you get asked for each and every one and whether you accept to send them. And of course you can deny those requests.Dunt Dunt Dunt and brian4591 like this.09-23-17 09:56 AMLike 2 -
As an operating system, Android IS fully functional without Google's apps. It's just that you don't have the "Google experience" with Google Now, the Assistant, Maps and all the other stuff. But these are all apps and don't have anything to do with the operating system.
If you don't feel like giving anything to Google like OP said, just don't use Google's apps. It's that easy. No need for BlackBerry to do anything.09-23-17 10:01 AMLike 0 - Get rid of Google Play Store and services? Sure thing, download your apps from browsers or one off stores! That’ll show ‘em lol09-23-17 10:26 AMLike 0
- Well, there's Aptoide and F-Droid which are both well-known and sources. And sites like APKMirror also verify the APKs against the original signatures from the Play Store.zodmode247 likes this.09-23-17 11:20 AMLike 1
- The main issue here is that your most popular, apps are using more of Google services to even work. You're not going to get the complete "google experience" without accepting all the terms and agreement. But what android gives you is the ability to use a large variety of devices to customized it the way you want it. You want more security? There's options out there. Every popular app you can get in the play store there's a open source alternative for it
Posted via CB1009-23-17 11:35 AMLike 0 - ...
But since we know "what google does for living", that being data collection and advertising (at least that's what we can know) how is BlackBerry gonna protect us from that?
Can BlackBerry build a secure ecosystem on top of android? (I think this would be the perfect option)
To what extent can BlackBerry change android infrastructure in order to obtain the control and at the same time to have all the android functionality work?
I, personally, don't see how it is BlackBerry's responsibility to "protect" users when it is out of their own free will that they are choosing to provide access of their information.
It's the world that we're living in now. Really impossible to share in the use of all of the apps and services available without sacrificing some privacy.app_Developer and offroadflow like this.09-23-17 12:52 PMLike 2 - Right and forget about those play services. Look I get it you can roll your own but modern apps are going to be relying on google’s implementation of services. If managing rogue app sources is your thing have at it. Majority just want it to work oob.09-23-17 01:32 PMLike 0
- Not quite sure about that. Can't actually uninstall or force stop all google apps.
I've disable Chrome, for example, and yet it reopens whenever it wants. So I have to continuously click "Forced stop" over and over, once every few days. This has became a routine for me.
And google play saves all settings I set, except "Do not auto-update all apps". This option turns on every time I reboot my phone. This is ridiculous. I have always to keep in control all these things.
When have I had to worry about such things when I was using my BB q10?!...09-23-17 04:57 PMLike 2 -
Same here. I've just tried it. I've set it to "Do not auto-update apps" and rebooted my phone. After the reboot, it was still set. So yeah, I'd factory reset your phone if I were you.offroadflow likes this.09-23-17 05:20 PMLike 1 - 09-23-17 05:36 PMLike 0
- offroadflow likes this.09-23-17 06:56 PMLike 1
- It sickens me I have no more control over mirror imaging backing up my own device on a daily basis. To be able to browse files, pics and folders extracting or deleting unwanted items is over. Sad day for BlackBerry in my book turning all control over to Googleanon(8679041) likes this.09-24-17 11:59 AMLike 1
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I, personally, don't see how it is BlackBerry's responsibility to "protect" users when it is out of their own free will that they are choosing to provide access of their information.
In that respect its very odd at first start-up you aren't remembered you actually dont't need a gmail account. Neither is data collection option toggled "off" in all setting and apps by default. Nor is there an app "delete all google apps". Actually quite some finding out, effort and time is required to set all switches to off.
If a company advertises with Privacy, the least it could do is to set all switches on private.
Guess there will be some openhandset rule ons this. Explanations welcome.
And I guess others will reiterate its your own choice to buy an android phone. Sure.
Is K1 having Privacy advertisements as well?
Posted via CB1009-24-17 05:11 PMLike 0 - In that respect its very odd at first start-up you aren't remembered you actually dont't need a gmail account. Neither is data collection option toggled "off" in all setting and apps by default. Nor is there an app "delete all google apps". Actually quite some finding out, effort and time is required to set all switches to off.
Also the data collection options are presented to you before they're going live. So you have the chance to switch them off before they get active. The default position is "on" because a lot more users actually use these features and thus want to keep it on.
And finding all Google apps isn't that hard as they mostly have "Google" in their name. And yes, since it's a completely new system if you're coming from BB10, of course, some research is required. In the same way you can't drive a car when all you know is how to drive a motorcycle.
(And those switch settings are Android defaults. BB has nothing to do with them. Sure, they *could* patch the Android code to make the switches the other way, but they'd probably lose the license to bundle Google's apps - and thus the Play Store. And we'd all have to wait a bit longer for monthly updates as that would be another change they have to apply to each and every update of the Android system.)offroadflow likes this.09-24-17 05:49 PMLike 1 - Well, remember the Priv advert on "most Private" or words like that?
In that respect its very odd at first start-up you aren't remembered you actually dont't need a gmail account. Neither is data collection option toggled "off" in all setting and apps by default. Nor is there an app "delete all google apps". Actually quite some finding out, effort and time is required to set all switches to off.
If a company advertises with Privacy, the least it could do is to set all switches on private.
Guess there will be some openhandset rule ons this. Explanations welcome.
And I guess others will reiterate its your own choice to buy an android phone. Sure.
Is K1 having Privacy advertisements as well?
Things should be called their names and BlackBerry should be advertised for what it is. And in my opinion, at this time BB is adding very little to Privacy and Security on android-powered devices. I'd like to see from BB some real 90 degrees changes on these fields and I'm sure people will be willing to pay even more than $549 per device. But until then, how can we even advertise this brand to our friends as more secure? When they ask why, I'm like well... because I don't have an honest answer I'd believe in, and I wouldn't lie to any of my friends, just to make few bucks to BlackBerry. I did that with BB10 though, my household was full of BB10s and some of my friends.
If building another private ecosystem on top of android is impossible (against google's terms of use) then how can we talk about privacy here? By the way, maybe BB could work on the Tizen open source OS? A lot of companies are trying to build it up, samsung included. Maybe we should aim that direction? What are your thoughts on this? Cheers!09-24-17 06:03 PMLike 3 - The simple answer is that BlackBerry isn't interested in protecting your privacy from Google, because they can't. Why do you think that no Google Apps are scanned by DTEK? Its no coincidence that those apps which are accessing your location, contacts, etc. aren't picked up by DTEK because BlackBerry can't stop Google from doing it if they want to use the Android OS.09-24-17 06:07 PMLike 6
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