1. pantagruel_bb's Avatar
    Forgive my ignorance... What exactly is an autoloader, what does it do, and why is it useful?
    Spunton_Duddley likes this.
    07-12-18 05:01 PM
  2. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    No ignorance, you're good and also in the right place for answers.

    It's an executable and official BlackBerry OS installation file that you can download to reinstall Android by BlackBerry, BlackBerry 10, or BlackBerry OS7.1.

    You find the 'autoloader' required for whatever BlackBerry device you need to reload the OS on and download it to your Windows PC. Then you plug your phone into the PC via USB in order to launch the 'autoloader' to install it onto your BlackBerry.

    It's the operating system file(s).
    pantagruel_bb and elfabio80 like this.
    07-12-18 05:07 PM
  3. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    Obviously, you want to backup your data so you can restore it if you ever need to install an 'autoloader' for your BlackBerry.
    pantagruel_bb likes this.
    07-12-18 05:09 PM
  4. wmatsura's Avatar
    Since the question was made here, at the KEYone message board, just keep in mind that on Blackberry Android devices you should always use an autoloader newer than the version current installed on your device, otherwise you'll turn your phone into a fancy brick.
    Ex.: If you have the May update installed on your device, don't try to run autoloaders previous to that (trying to restore a previous update will make your device inoperable).
    07-12-18 08:11 PM
  5. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    Since the question was made here, at the KEYone message board, just keep in mind that on Blackberry Android devices you should always use an autoloader newer than the version current installed on your device, otherwise you'll turn your phone into a fancy brick.
    Ex.: If you have the May update installed on your device, don't try to run autoloaders previous to that (trying to restore a previous update will make your device inoperable).
    Exactly. Thanks for mentioning this because we definitely don't wanna cause issues here! That's for sure.

    :-)
    pantagruel_bb likes this.
    07-12-18 08:24 PM
  6. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    Please follow what 'wmatsura' said there. That's a must.

    My apologies for not making that clear from the start.
    07-12-18 08:26 PM
  7. pantagruel_bb's Avatar
    Thanks for the info guys! Very helpful!
    Spunton_Duddley likes this.
    07-12-18 08:47 PM
  8. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    No problem!

    Gave you a 'like' because you came to the right place.

    Take care!

    :-)
    pantagruel_bb likes this.
    07-12-18 09:07 PM
  9. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Why can't you go beyond the last date you have? Why does it brick exactly?
    07-12-18 10:45 PM
  10. genghiskhan-11's Avatar
    And it what situations should I use autoloaders?
    07-13-18 10:16 AM
  11. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    Why can't you go beyond the last date you have? Why does it brick exactly?
    Personally, I hadn't heard anything about this until that reply. I trust the person who posted about potential 'bricking' due to incorrect autoloaders because that sounds really bad and I'd prefer a user A) doesn't experience that at all and B) prevent creating a possible issue in addition to whatever the problem is.
    07-13-18 03:54 PM
  12. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    And it what situations should I use autoloaders?
    Autoloaders are used almost as a last resort when it comes to troubleshooting a BlackBerry device.

    It's reinstalling the entire OS from scratch. So, same as 'formatting C to install Windows' - but in this case you're installing a BlackBerry OS.
    07-13-18 03:55 PM
  13. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Personally, I hadn't heard anything about this until that reply. I trust the person who posted about potential 'bricking' due to incorrect autoloaders because that sounds really bad and I'd prefer a user A) doesn't experience that at all and B) prevent creating a possible issue in addition to whatever the problem is.
    It has been posted all the time. I am not questioning whether it is true but rather why.
    07-13-18 06:12 PM
  14. thurask's Avatar
    Why can't you go beyond the last date you have? Why does it brick exactly?
    BB promotes (or at least used to promote) downgrade prevention as part of their "security", to prevent OSes with known security flaws from being loaded, except there's no real way to figure out the earliest OS that will load. There's no hints in the OS version string, or a value that can be pulled out of fastboot to get the minimum loadable OS.

    Worse, the "is this downgrade acceptable" step in an OS flash happens after loading the new software rather than before flashing as it was on BB10, which is why the device gets stuck in bootloader mode attempting to load software that the bootloader rejects.

    That said, the most fragile devices when it comes to this are the DTEKs, the KEYone/etc. are less finicky when it comes to downgrading to last month's OS or whatever.
    FF22 likes this.
    07-13-18 06:16 PM
  15. Emaderton3's Avatar
    BB promotes (or at least used to promote) downgrade prevention as part of their "security", to prevent OSes with known security flaws from being loaded, except there's no real way to figure out the earliest OS that will load. There's no hints in the OS version string, or a value that can be pulled out of fastboot to get the minimum loadable OS.

    Worse, the "is this downgrade acceptable" step in an OS flash happens after loading the new software rather than before flashing as it was on BB10, which is why the device gets stuck in bootloader mode attempting to load software that the bootloader rejects.

    That said, the most fragile devices when it comes to this are the DTEKs, the KEYone/etc. are less finicky when it comes to downgrading to last month's OS or whatever.
    Thanks.
    07-13-18 06:24 PM
  16. Spunton_Duddley's Avatar
    It has been posted all the time. I am not questioning whether it is true but rather why.
    Okie dokes. Ummm... all good.
    07-13-18 06:57 PM

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