what side of the device separated first? For my phone it was the right hand side. Left side finally gave way 5 days later.
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what side of the device separated first? For my phone it was the right hand side. Left side finally gave way 5 days later.
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Good for you for trying this!
That's a very scientific approach - thank you for sharing.
Well thank you for the "testing" but here is one issue you never thought of, the battery could have blown up or caught fire. Than you would have had a white hot uncontrollable fire that water or regular fire extinguishers do not work on. The other is you probably shorten the life of the phone with the heat.
Done another little experiment today.
Other side lifted too, see updated 1st post.
Now I have finally a K1 with proper glue on all the sides!
P.S. About the additional metallic frame deformation hypotesis, I'm not too convinced... I think its enough the glue heat issue for all the lifted screens cases.
Only my opinion of course.
On my K1 I've not seen / experienced any sign of said deformation,
and the screen eventually detached completely, after some hours of greater than "normal" heat exposure.
@thatguyusa
If the K1's battery catches fire because the surrounding temperature is 55 C, then a _total_ recall of all the K1s would be mandatory.
I dont think that this is the case.
About shortening the phone life, I dont think thats happened, at least not too much, but also if this happened, no problem for me, its the price of doing science!
OP what city are you in that it gets so hot? I'm guessing either Edmonton or Winnipeg?
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50-55 C was oven test temperature.
Out there now is 33.5 C.
I appreciate the OP's approach on this testing. I probably wouldn't do it very many more times though. :)
Hehe, well said… My tests are finished now.
Its possible that I have now the oldest K1 around (aged because of the tests), but for sure without the screen lifting issue.
And doing science is sooo funny!
Now that you are suppose to have "proper" glue why not try the test one more time and see if this "proper glue" will give at the same temperature?
I think your suggestion is almost ok, thanks!
Tomorrow I'll ask for brand/model of the glue I have now, then I'll use it on some plastic/metal things, and then I'll put this one in the oven.
No more need to stress the K1, the point was to know approx the threshold temperature for the 1st batch glue to melt.
This might be the stupidest thread that I have ever seen on these threads...and that is really saying something.
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Thanks for doing controlled experiments.
Well, I'm just hoping that the OP did this test thoroughly and right through to its logical conclusion.
After all, you don't want to get a reputation (wait for it ....)
FOR BEING HALF-BAKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because the microwave was occupied :-p
So 60 C is like what, 212 F? (too lazy to convert)
I don't think this test proves anything other than the OP being unlucky and getting a faulty unit. When my first K1 suffered saltwater damage I also had it in an oven for hours and in direct sunlight submerged in rice (not too smart), and I had it soaking in distilled water and pharmacy alcohol as well. I also removed the back cover (which was glued very well together and difficult to remove) and the battery (lots of glue there too). I tried everything. Suffice it to say, that poor K1 went through A LOT of abuse and the screen never budged one bit. Actually, I just checked it again and the screen is still fully intact. Just thinking about how hard it was to remove the back cover, and reading about people having the back cover loosen by itself, coupled with the screen popping out issue, it all makes me think that it's a question of poor quality control during the assembly process... It seems rather random who experiences hardware problems and who doesn't... The screen thing is definitely a big issue, much bigger than I first thought, and I wouldn't recommend the K1 to anyone until we are absolutely sure the improved units have reached the market. As it is now, with 120-130 (and counting) screen loosening issues reported here on CB alone, it would be too much of a gamble to buy now. Unless, of course, you are lucky enough to live in place where you'll actually get proper customer support.
No, only 140F.
100C is boiling which is 212
Yes I remember... it was me suggesting the oven try.
And, yes, maybe I've had a faulty unit, meaning a unit with the wrong glue.
Or maybe not, and all the first batch K1s have the same fault... its an interesting question, of course.
If I had to bet, I'd bet for "my faulty unit" , but science is science:
we need some objective, repeatable, measuring data.
And you are perfect for that, seen that you have an already damaged K1!
If you have a thermometer, like the one I used, and a ventilated oven, you can try to repeat my test, i.e. your damaged K1 in the oven for some minutes at 60-62, and then for 4/5 hours at 50/55 C (more towards 50).
So, you repeated exactly the steps I've done for my glue to melt.
Then, if after this test your screen is still firmly attached, great, we've found the definitive answer, meaning that only some K1s have the wrong glue.
If, instead, your glue will melt too, we will be still with the doubt.
Moreover, I think that, likely, it would be enough some seconds/minutes of hair dryer to have the glue melting, in case of faulty units, then its possible to detach the screen and reattach it with proper glue / adhesive.
But, back to your first saltwater damaged K1... maybe you know the temperature of your oven when you made the recover try?
P.S. About direct sunlight... if your K1 was submerged in rice, then I think its temperature maybe was not so high like if it was, so to speak, naked under the sun...
But maybe I'm wrong.
We need measurements!
PP.SS. Or maybe having a phone at 60 C, also if for 2-3 minutes, and / or for some hours at 50-55 C, leads to its glue melting, and this is the correct behaviour of the smartphones glue.
Luckily, I have some old smartphones here, I'll try it tomorrow.
Science is calling.
Ah, I didn't realise that was you, lol. Anything for science! I'd need to get a thermometer first. My oven wasn't as warm as yours when I tried it, but I had it in there for about 12 hours all together I seem to remember. As for the direct sunlight, I'm embarrassed to say I did that several times and the temperatures was high, probably like 50-60 degrees Celsius. I left it in rice like that for almost a whole day while in Acapulco where the temperature was even higher. When I did it at home I'm embarrassed (again) to say I only had it wrapped in some paper towels.
Hmm, I'd really like to repeat your test, but after checking my old K1 today, being unable to reattach the back cover due to the battery having expanded/bulged, I'd honestly be scared of an explosion... What I could do is buy a thermometer and leave it naked, but at a safe distance in direct sunlight...
Yes, it would be perfect!
What is relevant is the temperature measurement and the duration of heat exposure.
LMAO
But seriously, I don't understand all the critics in this thread. I found this experiment interesting and potentially educational.
It was definitely more scientific than those popular "will it blend" videos.
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I agree.
Legitimate experiment and well done.
I guess the Australians will have to repeat the experiment, but with a barbie instead of oven ...
Yes, and that heat is not at all out of line with the heat a lot of these phones see, in a car, or even in normal use.
As a side note, I have often used the oven on a low heat like this to drive out moisture from electronics, including phones.
My phones have seen that much heat often, on a bicycle in a black handlebar bag while commuting in 100 degree heat, and on bicycle tours. They also have seen that much heat while in a tank bag on a motorcycle for 15 hour trips in the heat of Summer. Just because it is "only" 100F out, doesn't mean it isn't hotter inside a bag sitting in the sun, or inside a locked car.