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  1. Invictus0's Avatar
    No one serious about their security should be using Facebook or WhatsApp anyway. No amount of updates or patching can protect users from their own carelessness.

    It would be Ike worrying about the quality of the locks on your doors while giving your keys to known burglars.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    I think you mean privacy, you aren't really opening yourself up to inherent security risks by using the latest versions of those apps more than you would any other app.
    05-18-19 05:02 PM
  2. jackcarr's Avatar
    Just saw this in another thread. It shows a May update coming to the Motion! What does this mean? This sounds like great news! Why would the K1 not receive it? What is going on folks? Attachment 444431
    My Motion got that update. It was small. But KEYone BE didn't get it.
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    05-18-19 05:09 PM
  3. IceCreamPlz's Avatar
    I think you mean privacy, you aren't really opening yourself up to inherent security risks by using the latest versions of those apps more than you would any other app.
    Nope. He means security. And he's right.
    05-19-19 01:15 AM
  4. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I think you mean privacy, you aren't really opening yourself up to inherent security risks by using the latest versions of those apps more than you would any other app.
    Privacy and security are very closely linked, as more than 80% of data breaches include an element of social engineering. That's why, for example, we advise clients never to allow employees to use their work email or phone numbers for social networking, including LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Skype, etc.

    If I can find your personal information on LinkedIn or Facebook (including birth date, real phone number, email, city, etc.) it simplifies the work of compromising you by a factor of 100.

    So, if targeted attacks are in your threat profile, including doxxing, jealous or vindictive exes, burglars, con artists, cyber criminals, political opponents, authoritarian governments, government or commercial surveillance, etc. there is almost no difference between privacy and security.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    05-19-19 07:35 AM
  5. Invictus0's Avatar
    Privacy and security are very closely linked, as more than 80% of data breaches include an element of social engineering. That's why, for example, we advise clients never to allow employees to use their work email or phone numbers for social networking, including LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Skype, etc.

    If I can find your personal information on LinkedIn or Facebook (including birth date, real phone number, email, city, etc.) it simplifies the work of compromising you by a factor of 100.

    So, if targeted attacks are in your threat profile, including doxxing, jealous or vindictive exes, burglars, con artists, cyber criminals, political opponents, authoritarian governments, government or commercial surveillance, etc. there is almost no difference between privacy and security.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    I agree but in my example I was referring to remote code execution security risks on a device. These can happen in any app and even the OS itself so nothing short of being on the latest version of an app or OS could protect against them.
    05-19-19 10:52 AM
  6. conite's Avatar
    I agree but in my example I was referring to remote code execution security risks on a device. These can happen in any app and even the OS itself so nothing short of being on the latest version of an app or OS could protect against them.
    It also depends on how resilient the OS is to attack.

    There is real science to kernel hardening, constantly scanning system files for changes, and not allowing nefarious apps to gain elevated privileges.

    You can patch AND you can monitor.
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    05-19-19 10:54 AM
  7. Invictus0's Avatar
    It also depends on how resilient the OS is to attack.

    There is real science to kernel hardening, constantly scanning system files for changes, and not allowing nefarious apps to gain elevated privileges.

    You can patch AND you can monitor.
    Sure but when an exploit is in the wild this is something we as consumers can't independently verify and certainly shouldn't take a chance on. It's up to the OEM or a third party to release information about.
    05-19-19 11:38 AM
  8. conite's Avatar
    Sure but when an exploit is in the wild this is something we as consumers can't independently verify and certainly shouldn't take a chance on. It's up to the OEM or a third party to release information about.
    True.

    Equally, I would also be concerned about blocking threats that haven't been discovered and patched for - and that's an advantage to better monitoring.
    05-19-19 11:42 AM
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