1. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    02-29-20 10:37 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    From 2 years ago, yes.
    02-29-20 10:39 AM
  3. RoseBud68's Avatar
    LOL
    02-29-20 10:49 AM
  4. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    Has TCL countered the claim or shown it to be false over those 2 years ?
    whatnow00 likes this.
    02-29-20 12:24 PM
  5. conite's Avatar
    Has TCL countered the claim or shown it to be false over those 2 years ?
    BBMo didn't have any issues.

    It also wasn't as bad as they were suggesting. Nevertheless, a lot has changed in two years.
    02-29-20 12:53 PM
  6. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    For TCL made BBMo models, who created updates and who distributed. Was it by contract? Was Adups involved?
    02-29-20 01:16 PM
  7. conite's Avatar
    For TCL made BBMo models, who created updates and who distributed. Was it by contract? Was Adups involved?
    Adups was absolutely not involved!

    Updates were built with help from both BlackBerry (kernel) and TCL (some apps), but were signed once completed by BlackBerry.
    02-29-20 02:51 PM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    The followup is that the guys who did this study later admitted that their methods were flawed and their conclusions were at least partially incorrect.
    03-01-20 01:06 PM
  9. whatnow00's Avatar
    TCL can't have done this, because they simply didn't issue updates for BlackBerry Mobile devices at all half the time!
    03-01-20 01:14 PM
  10. conite's Avatar
    TCL can't have done this, because they simply didn't issue updates for BlackBerry Mobile devices at all half the time!
    Riiiiight.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1381535354
    03-01-20 02:01 PM
  11. whatnow00's Avatar
    There's a lot of "- - -" in that spreadsheet.
    03-02-20 09:26 AM
  12. conite's Avatar
    There's a lot of "- - -" in that spreadsheet.
    Not even close to 50%.
    03-02-20 09:33 AM
  13. whatnow00's Avatar
    Not even close to 50%.
    Not even close to 100%.
    03-02-20 10:27 AM
  14. conite's Avatar
    Not even close to 100%.
    Your statement was that it wasn't 50%. No one said anything about 100% - certainly not BlackBerry Mobile, as they were simply content with "best in class".
    03-02-20 10:31 AM
  15. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    The followup is that the guys who did this study later admitted that their methods were flawed and their conclusions were at least partially incorrect.
    Do you have a reference for that we can read?
    03-02-20 11:26 AM
  16. RLeeSimon's Avatar
    all that said, there is a high cost to put out updates... crippled ones are silly...

    wait, we've seen bb silliness before, just sayin'
    03-02-20 11:28 AM
  17. whatnow00's Avatar
    Your statement was that it wasn't 50%. No one said anything about 100% - certainly not BlackBerry Mobile, as they were simply content with "best in class".
    When I said "half the time" as an obvious figure of speech, you think the phrase meant exactly, literally what it said. When TCL says "monthly updates" while trying to sell a device, it does not mean exactly, literally what it says but something completely different.

    You're going to pull a brain muscle doing all those mental gymnastics.
    03-02-20 11:34 AM
  18. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    When I said "half the time" as an obvious figure of speech, you think the phrase meant exactly, literally what it said. When TCL says "monthly updates" while trying to sell a device, it does not mean exactly, literally what it says but something completely different.

    You're going to pull a brain muscle doing all those mental gymnastics.
    Well if you figure that BBMo only offers half the monthly updates - security only, not the features half.....

    Moot point now...
    03-02-20 11:44 AM
  19. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Do you have a reference for that we can read?
    The original Wired article that was quoted by hundreds of other tech sites is here:

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/12/1...ty-updates-lie

    And this original article itself takes a bit of the wind out of the original "threat".

    I've been digging around trying to find the follow-up article I read, but as is often the case, the follow-up story wasn't nearly as popular (because it wasn't nearly as alarmist) and if it hasn't sunk completely into oblivion it's at least harder to find now.
    03-02-20 09:33 PM

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