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- I remember reading that actually in an interview.
The hardware root of trust ie the special BlackBerry sauce they inject into the chips, they said was optional.
Yes partners will have BlackBerry's version of Android but they may not necessarily have the "special sauce" as Chen liked to call it, on the hardware side.
Just in case there was any confusion and people think the Keyone is equivalent in security to the ones made by BlackBerry proper.
But if Conite is correct and the licensees did go for the full security package then ok06-28-17 03:18 PMLike 0 - One interesting this I noticed on BlackBerry's own website was the variation of the security brochure between the Priv and the DTEK series.
If you look at the Priv section of the website, there is a space about 2/3 of the way down the says "Priv security brichure"
https://ca.blackberry.com/content/da...y_Brochure.pdf
Here it talks about the security and process that went into the design of the Priv.
I don't find anything similar on the DTEK devices portion if the site. I also don't have 100% confirmation of the similar design on the KEYone.
Keep in mind that the Priv was designed from the ground up as a BlackBerry device without any help from any other manufacturers where the above mentioned devices did have input from TCL.
Just an observation and I have no way of knowing if there are any different security features either hardware or software on any of the devices
Posted via CB1006-28-17 03:30 PMLike 0 - One interesting this I noticed on BlackBerry's own website was the variation of the security brochure between the Priv and the DTEK series.
If you look at the Priv section of the website, there is a space about 2/3 of the way down the says "Priv security brichure"
https://ca.blackberry.com/content/da...y_Brochure.pdf
Here it talks about the security and process that went into the design of the Priv.
I don't find anything similar on the DTEK devices portion if the site. I also don't have 100% confirmation of the similar design on the KEYone.
Keep in mind that the Priv was designed from the ground up as a BlackBerry device without any help from any other manufacturers where the above mentioned devices did have input from TCL.
Just an observation and I have no way of knowing if there are any different security features either hardware or software on any of the devices
Posted via CB1006-28-17 03:37 PMLike 0 -
So what does hardware root of trust mean?
They always spoke of the special sauce that they do to the chips physically, not software side loll
Mind blown...06-28-17 03:56 PMLike 0 - It is hardware. It's just that it's not a separate chip - that was just marketing fluff. The rest of the story is very real.06-28-17 03:59 PMLike 0
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- You're correct. There are many ways one could use the hardware root of trust. BlackBerry has implemented signing keys for all system software. The root of trust is just a single (but important) part of a much bigger process.06-28-17 07:08 PMLike 0
- Right so it wouldn't be fair to say it's just there. Others can't seem to accomplish the same thing. Even with Knox Samsung devices get rooted.06-28-17 07:24 PMLike 0
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- Not what I was saying. Of course they are in charge of OS development. What are you even talking about now?
I'm saying if BlackBerry has no say in keeping devices updated and it's all TCL then what I suggested could happen if TCL just decided they didn't want to keep it updated. Which is why I don't think BlackBerry has no say or nothing in the agreement regarding that because of their brand and reputation they want to uphold. Why is that so difficult to believe for you?
Posted via CB1006-28-17 08:20 PMLike 0 -
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Posted via CB1006-28-17 08:31 PMLike 0 - I'm glad we were able to agree on the speculation part. Now, my real concern is that people who would otherwise be attracted to the KeyONE won't take a chance because of the uncertainty regarding the OS upgrade path, if there even is any. Less sales means more opportunity for TCL to ignore further KeyONE-type developments in favor of more popular phones in its portfolio. Unless TCL has committed to minimum royalty payments and/or minimum sales milestones under its BBRY agreements (circumstances no one here is privy to), then the pivot to in-house phones with more potential becomes more attractive than dealing with disappointing KeyONE sales and support.
Posted via CB1006-28-17 08:37 PMLike 0 - BlackBerry wouldn't have signed a contract to have their phones built by TCL and then abandon them. What would be the point? Don't speculate bad news.
Regardless, does a person actually believe their Android Nougat device will somehow become useless because it's not running Android O? Your PRIV and DETEK devices are still useful unless a person somehow thinks their basic needs have evolved just because a new OS version is available or not available.
My good and productive friend and neighbor is still using his Note 4. Three years now.
Posted via CB1006-28-17 08:43 PMLike 0 - It's rather simple with Android updates, either you get a Pixel or an older Nexus device that will get at least O or get the new Pixels when they are released. There is always the iPhone so all in all I don't see why make a big deal out of it when companies like Samsung, LG, Sony and Motorola have issues pushing a new OS update and take a good amount of time before updating a particular line of phones. If companies like this have issues imagine what BB is facing with their track record
If BB will not update the Priv and DTEK to N and update K1 only to O and nothing beyond that, then they will fail in the mobile market altogether because no one wants to buy a phone that receives an OS update extremely late or only one iteration aside from the one with which it was released.
As much as I like the K1, it will be my last BB phone if they fail to update it beyond O or take to much time to do the update and I honestly consider spiking all future BB phones if the Priv won't get N.
Nowadays getting an OS update should be the first thing a buyer considers when getting a new phone, but that is probably the last thing buyers consider.
As a side note why do you think that some Chinese phone companies managed to push OS updates before big names like the ones mentioned above? Because it's the only way they can stay relevant on the market, otherwise they will disappear from the market in a few years when buyers realize that they are stuck on the same 2 year old OS while others have the latest on 2 year old phones.
Posted via CB1006-28-17 08:47 PMLike 0 - I get that it legally has nothing to do with it, but it's the same brand. They are paying BB for the brand, so if BlackBerry hurts their brand by not supporting phones, it indirectly hurts TCL. Even if those phones were merely build by TCL for BlackBerry.
If you are in the business of selling your brand, it is your interest to maintain that brand.
Just like the screen falling off is BlackBerry's problem, as well as BB Mobile and TCL's problem. Even though BlackBerry is licensing the software, their brand takes a hit. Which means future agreements will be even less likely.
Posted via CB1006-28-17 09:03 PMLike 0 -
- Yes we agree. By definition the forum users here are very certainly a minority subset of the vast majority. Which is why there are hundreds of threads a year about which phones are getting various version updates. Whether it be BB10 or Android.06-28-17 10:28 PMLike 0
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It's the only device running N, and has the highest sticker price. When BlackBerry mobile releases a new touch device running N, with a SD 835 then it will lose this current title of "Flagship by default".06-29-17 01:30 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1006-29-17 07:27 PMLike 0 - The KeyOne may not be a flagship by standard definition, but it most certainly is the current flagship of BlackBerry and BlackBerry mobile.
It's the only device running N, and has the highest sticker price. When BlackBerry mobile releases a new touch device running N, with a SD 835 then it will lose this current title of "Flagship by default".
Posted via CB1006-29-17 07:30 PMLike 0 -
Get some clarity between the two of you and any others and make sure that you tell your customers exactly where they stand because they just do not know and that's when they walk elsewhere.Last edited by Neville A Daniels; 09-20-17 at 07:26 AM.
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