- This doesn't bode well for me. I ordered it on May 31 and haven't gotten an estimate yet. In my order history on Amazon it just says they need more time to get an estimate, which is a flowery way of saying "we don't know." I hope this doesn't mean I'm looking at longer than July 10, because if that's the case, screw it, I'll just get a Priv.06-02-17 10:15 AMLike 0
- When a person ordering after 12am on May 31st is getting their KEYones before a person that orders between 10-11:59 on the 30th THAT is Amazon's fault for not doing first come first served. It is not happening a lot but that is on them.
As for low stock yeah that is not Amazon's fault.coffee-turtle likes this.06-02-17 10:15 AMLike 1 - Same email this morning also. I got the 6th but that is a whole lot better than the 20th and beyond.coffee-turtle likes this.06-02-17 10:18 AMLike 1
- Well i ordered on the 31st in the morning and just got an email with estimated delivery of June 7th!! So excited! cant wait!world traveler and former ceo and kodos78 like this.06-02-17 12:42 PMLike 2
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Some folks may even have stuffed more than two queues, if the rogue, cross-border market gets bigger instead of smaller. ( probably another contributing reason the amazon.ca unlocked didn't go live.) . That is an even larger amount of noise.
Initial demand bubbles are always full of noise. However, the more fanatical/rabid the fan base is that will only increase the noise that will be be present.
Not good news for a product that was so hyped up, my concern is if TCL can't build enough units so satisfy a small niche market, are they going to be able to support the product long term?
This is really a question of 'right sizing' how much capacity the allocate to Blackberry; not whether making a large number of phones is over their head.
2. Rightsizing has problems. See the double queue stuff above. If they allocate a factory that does 50K/week and by week 8 the demand has collapsed to 2K/week those extra production lines are going to run out of demand to fill. When they don't make a profit on the line allocation how are they going to be able to support the product long term?
3. If they extremely rapidly crank up volume too high and have quality issues what is that going to do to product support long term? This phone isn't like most of the other phones they make so they can't really run it on the exact same lines their higher volume stuff runs on.
4. The long term support of this particular phone is substantially going to rest on what BlackBerry Inc. does as they are responsible for the software/firmware ( custom Android OS, apps). Do they have a long term consistent track record supporting 3rd parties with Android OS? Nope. Did many of the early access reviewers state the OS was glitchy, sputtering up until the devices went up for sale in the UK? Yes. I'm not saying BB Inc. won't do OK over the long term, but from TCL's perspective of building 1M phones before that has been proven.... that is a big risk factor. There is no good business reason at all to fill warehouses with the level of stock that is at the highest estimate of what might be sold. If that doesn't work out TCL is holding the bag. (that is why BB Inc. sold off hardware. If it was such a super-duper sure thing why would BB Inc. sell it off????? It isn't. )
I hope I wrong on all of this, but sadly this was not a good new product launch at all.OrlandoAlex likes this.06-02-17 02:47 PMLike 1 -
The KeyOne GSM model isn't the number 1 selling unlocked phone at Amazon anymore so the number of people getting into line is slowing down slightly. ( GSM number 1 -> 2, CDMA number 3 -> 4 ).
So demand is still outstripping supply ( even the incremental supply updates coming in. )
If you want one they pick a queue and get in line. The stuff up on Amazon is probably pessimistic estimates so that folks won't moan and groan about how they were mislead.Last edited by ltoncb; 06-02-17 at 03:21 PM.
06-02-17 03:07 PMLike 0 - It's good news they sold out, just means demand is better than expected. I placed an order on Amazon and hoping to get one sometime this month. Bummed I didn't get one of the first ones but with BlackBerry not doing that we'll in hand set business the last 10 years I could see where they might limit the first production to gauge demand. Better than making to many, having to store them, and then discount heavily to get rid of inventory.
My main complaint would be allowing people to order 30 and then see them on eBay for 2-3 times asking price right away. Maybe they should have limited to 3-5 instead of up to 30 to take first inventory to try to resell on eBay for a ridiculous price.
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Metrics keeps out the part-time, amateur speculators.06-02-17 03:33 PMLike 0 -
The initial demand bubble have lots of junk/noise in it. It isn't a very good gauge.
Discount heavily would mean taking a loss. The problem BBMobile/TCL probably has is trying to gauge what the demand will be after the initial demand bubble. What is the real long term demand going to be for the 3-6 months after the launch.
My main complaint would be allowing people to order 30 and then see them on eBay for 2-3 times asking price right away.
If there is an easy way to put a cap on purchases (have BB and Amazon turn on a switch setting in the store), then yes. But there is no way to completely stop folks who out to deliberately out to cheat the system for those kinds of mark-ups. They are ways to pay more to get around the limits so if the mark-up is very high there isn't much of a limitation for the extremely highly motivated.06-02-17 04:01 PMLike 0 - Update - first it went to June 6 and now it's June 5. Back to June 4 or even tomorrow June 3 would be nice to have the weekend to play with it, but Monday June 5 will be just fine too.06-02-17 05:00 PMLike 0
- Got an email about 3 hours ago saying my CDMA estimated delivery from Amazon is June 21 - July 11. I ordered 1-day shipping. This is just a day behind what appears to be the initial shipment wave.06-02-17 10:29 PMLike 0
- Originally Posted by [email protected]Update - first it went to June 6 and now it's June 5. Back to June 4 or even tomorrow June 3 would be nice to have the weekend to play with it, but Monday June 5 will be just fine too.06-02-17 11:05 PMLike 0
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I'm kind of anxious though because it says arriving June 8-16 but it's already shipped and is less than an hour away from where I live, in transit, so I am hoping for Saturday the 3 or Monday the 5.Uzi likes this.06-02-17 11:21 PMLike 1 -
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