1. jerryinohio's Avatar
    Waiting patiently

    Posted via CB10
    01-31-19 02:11 AM
  2. jimk345's Avatar
    I think it will only be available to Verizon business accounts.
    01-31-19 06:15 AM
  3. Naor13's Avatar
    I think it will only be available to Verizon business accounts.
    I think so too
    01-31-19 09:45 AM
  4. phuoc's Avatar
    Just buy one from Best Buy or Amazon and have Verizon activate it.
    01-31-19 11:21 AM
  5. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Just buy one from Best Buy or Amazon and have Verizon activate it.
    Yup. It is on their certified unlocked list. Doesn't mean they will ever sell it so you should do this.
    01-31-19 12:10 PM
  6. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I would be surprised if consumer sales wouldn't be able to get you exception for business classification or one time consumer sale as customer exception. Main difference is device isn't available in VZW stores...
    01-31-19 01:07 PM
  7. tnewton3's Avatar
    Waiting patiently

    Posted via CB10
    Why are you waiting to buy it through Verizon? Payment plan? Best will let buy it via small payments.
    01-31-19 01:10 PM
  8. jerryinohio's Avatar
    I am a business account and I figured that if it came from Verizon all the bugs would be worked out

    Posted via CB10
    01-31-19 01:47 PM
  9. rthonpm's Avatar
    It's the same device as you can buy from Amazon or Best Buy. The early issues with activation have been worked out, which is one of the reasons Verizon is confident enough to offer it to business customers. Waiting for Verizon to sell the device at this point won't gain you any advantage.
    01-31-19 08:43 PM
  10. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    It's the same device as you can buy from Amazon or Best Buy. The early issues with activation have been worked out, which is one of the reasons Verizon is confident enough to offer it to business customers. Waiting for Verizon to sell the device at this point won't gain you any advantage.
    Wouldn’t you consider dealing with VZW for any warranty issues advantageous over BBMo, Amazon or BestBuy?
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    01-31-19 09:28 PM
  11. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Wouldn’t you consider dealing with VZW for any warranty issues advantageous over BBMo, Amazon or BestBuy?
    Normally, yes, and for the time being, yes. But as a niche device, chances are if it breaks a year from now, Verizon isn't likely to have any in stock to replace it with, so what you'd get is an offer to replace it with something more mainstream. Obviously for PKB fans, that's probably not the droid they're looking for.

    It seems likely to me that Verizon, while making them available to business customers, are really ordering them on an as-needed basis - which is why they aren't a general item, because then they'd have to stock them in stores.

    Figure every K2 and K2LE ever to be manufactured has already been so - that's common for manufactured goods that have a short relevant shelf life such as a smartphone or computer - so when the inventory runs low, Verizon will "run out" almost immediately, because they don't really stock them.

    Now, will there be a K3, and a K3LE? Perhaps. And maybe Verizon would be able to offer one of those instead, if they carry the phone. But right now, we don't know what's going to happen. It's not like an iPhone or Galaxy - you don't have to question whether Big Red will have one of those to replace your phone if need be - it's certain they will. With any niche device that isn't widely carried, there's no certainty, and so dealing with the carrier loses a good deal of its normal value.
    02-01-19 08:18 PM
  12. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Normally, yes, and for the time being, yes. But as a niche device, chances are if it breaks a year from now, Verizon isn't likely to have any in stock to replace it with, so what you'd get is an offer to replace it with something more mainstream. Obviously for PKB fans, that's probably not the droid they're looking for.

    It seems likely to me that Verizon, while making them available to business customers, are really ordering them on an as-needed basis - which is why they aren't a general item, because then they'd have to stock them in stores.

    Figure every K2 and K2LE ever to be manufactured has already been so - that's common for manufactured goods that have a short relevant shelf life such as a smartphone or computer - so when the inventory runs low, Verizon will "run out" almost immediately, because they don't really stock them.

    Now, will there be a K3, and a K3LE? Perhaps. And maybe Verizon would be able to offer one of those instead, if they carry the phone. But right now, we don't know what's going to happen. It's not like an iPhone or Galaxy - you don't have to question whether Big Red will have one of those to replace your phone if need be - it's certain they will. With any niche device that isn't widely carried, there's no certainty, and so dealing with the carrier loses a good deal of its normal value.
    I agree that while it loses a great deal of it’s normal value, it’s something, however little, over something less to nothing...

    The scenario is already similar with BestBuy or Amazon so it’s just that ability that carrier will probably most likely give me some device, where as the retailer will give me the number and email for BBMo warranty support....LOL
    02-01-19 08:28 PM
  13. tnewton3's Avatar
    Wouldn’t you consider dealing with VZW for any warranty issues advantageous over BBMo, Amazon or BestBuy?
    I've bought all my KEY devices from Best Buy and put the additional warranty on them for $89 1 year. Dealt with them during screen pop issues with absolutely no problems at all. In my opinion Best Buy has a really great warranty department for all their products. Wife just swapped a second KEYᵒⁿᵉ because of WiFi connectivity issues with no issues from the Best Buy side at all.
    02-02-19 10:23 AM
  14. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I've bought all my KEY devices from Best Buy and put the additional warranty on them for $89 1 year. Dealt with them during screen pop issues with absolutely no problems at all. In my opinion Best Buy has a really great warranty department for all their products. Wife just swapped a second KEYᵒⁿᵉ because of WiFi connectivity issues with no issues from the Best Buy side at all.
    My point is that I shouldn't have to buy an extra warranty for something the OEM and retailer should cover servicewise. Additionally, unlocked devices aren't getting enhanced calling features like carrier sold devices. Either way, supporting carrier devices goes long distance to helping BBMo sales over noncarrier retailers in 2019 quest for better success in sales.
    02-02-19 01:03 PM
  15. Emaderton3's Avatar
    You get HD calling with Verizon (at least with the KEYone). The only thing missing is visual voicemail.
    02-02-19 02:45 PM
  16. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I prefer to buy from the carrier so long as it isn't more expensive, but I am not as worried about delayed updates as some are. Generally, unlocked phones will get updated faster and more reliably.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    02-02-19 03:56 PM
  17. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I prefer to buy from the carrier so long as it isn't more expensive, but I am not as worried about delayed updates as some are. Generally, unlocked phones will get updated faster and more reliably.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    I don’t believe that anymore. You and I have the AT&T KEYone and we seem to get our updates as fast as or faster than many here with factory unlocked KEYone hardware.

    I believe Android has improved consistency since Google moved to offering proprietary hardware.
    02-02-19 04:18 PM
  18. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I don’t believe that anymore. You and I have the AT&T KEYone and we seem to get our updates as fast as or faster than many here with factory unlocked KEYone hardware.

    I believe Android has improved consistency since Google moved to offering proprietary hardware.
    Very true. I guess I would just like to acknowledge that, for unlocked owners, updates only require one company to push the update, but for carriers, two are required, so ultimately, I would be more confident about receiving updates with an unlocked device.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    02-02-19 04:28 PM
  19. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Very true. I guess I would just like to acknowledge that, for unlocked owners, updates only require one company to push the update, but for carriers, two are required, so ultimately, I would be more confident about receiving updates with an unlocked device.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    That was our 2016-2017 logic... you’re better at this stuff than me.

    I feel like sometime in 2017, the factory unlocked vs carrier locked pro/con game changed around things like PRD numbers .. somehow I believe carriers are now controlling or not controlling everything without bias to factory locked or carrier unlocked.
    02-02-19 04:35 PM
  20. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    If, in fact, BlackBerry Mobile prioritizes carrier updates over unlocked, and if the mechanism for pushing carrier updates is largely automated, then that could be true. But if both companies still have to push the "update button" separately, then that can't be true, even if they've been reliable lately.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    02-02-19 04:38 PM

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