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  1. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Hmm, another pain in the * with Android? Now with not cycling LED colors of notification.
    I found this application in gstore - "Light Flow Pro - LED Control", it says

    Maybe this would fix it..
    It treats the Hub as a single app, so won't rotate colors for accounts in the Hub. I think it may be an Android limitation that a single app can't dynamically select it's own notification colors, but I'm not a developer and really have no idea.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    09-28-18 03:47 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    But I thought BlackBerry was doing the software?
    They pay BlackBerry for the software.
    09-28-18 08:34 AM
  3. conite's Avatar
    Who does have that information?



    Simply untrue. The Verizon K1 was not even in Amazon's or Best Buy's warehouses on May 31, 2017. Their customer service departments confirmed this. Verizon is not at fault for TCL simply not manufacturing and shipping them on time.
    BBMo does.

    Why stack up product in warehouses when you know they aren't going anywhere for some time?
    09-28-18 08:36 AM
  4. pastornordel's Avatar
    BBOS was crazy with the granular control it gave over personalizing and customizing notifications. I miss that feature also. I use sounds now to notify my family contacts for health emergencies. But it means I always have to have the sound turned on, which is awkward sometimes in staff meetings.
    09-28-18 12:04 PM
  5. thurask's Avatar
    But I thought BlackBerry™ was doing the software?
    At best they're doing some: the Hub suite + keyboard are theirs, and if you take their word for it they do some low level kernel work and manage getting the operating system certified to work with the bootloader. But everything else is TCL, including distribution.
    09-28-18 01:10 PM
  6. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    BBMo does.

    Why stack up product in warehouses when you know they aren't going anywhere for some time?
    Do you have proof that the delay was Verizon's fault?

    At best they're doing some: the Hub suite + keyboard are theirs, and if you take their word for it they do some low level kernel work and manage getting the operating system certified to work with the bootloader. But everything else is TCL, including distribution.
    Right, which is different from the bill of goods we were sold when the licensing deal was announced. BlackBerry said they were doing the software to dissuade concerns about security with a Chinese licensee. Now half the stock apps on my phone are TCL.
    09-28-18 02:30 PM
  7. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Do you have proof that the delay was Verizon's fault?



    Right, which is different from the bill of goods we were sold when the licensing deal was announced. BlackBerry said they were doing the software to dissuade concerns about security with a Chinese licensee. Now half the stock apps on my phone are TCL.
    Regardless of the developer, BlackBerry is signing those apps and is accountable for their security. I think the process is as transparent as it is for any other OEM.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    09-28-18 05:09 PM
  8. CalSandi's Avatar
    So, has anyone heard ANYTHING from any carrier or retailer in the US that pre-orders are open?

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-18 06:56 PM
  9. jfalkingham's Avatar
    It treats the Hub as a single app, so won't rotate colors for accounts in the Hub. I think it may be an Android limitation that a single app can't dynamically select it's own notification colors, but I'm not a developer and really have no idea.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Bingo. The LED notification in Android has not had major changes in forever. Few Android phones leverage this, thankfully Samsung does which keeps it somewhat relevant. If you want the blissful way bb10 handles the colors, you would need a separate app for each mail account (which I do on my note 8). Even if you do that, the notification will time out unless the developer set options for you to keep it persistent, so you'll miss that important blue light (green for me).

    I gotta agree, silent operation and only LED colors is how I roll nights and weekends, and allows me to only touch it when I see my green light.

    Cheers

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-18 10:59 PM
  10. jfalkingham's Avatar
    So, has anyone heard ANYTHING from any carrier or retailer in the US that pre-orders are open?

    Posted via CB10
    I've called Tmobile and AT&T and neither of them heard of the Key2 or Key2LE.

    Amazon or best buy might be the best bet, or if you're close enough buy outright from Canadian provider. The exchange rate might make it work out cheaper too.

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-18 11:01 PM
  11. mralgi's Avatar
    So, has anyone heard ANYTHING from any carrier or retailer in the US that pre-orders are open?

    Posted via CB10
    Yes. Amazon has Slate and Champagne available for pre-order now.
    09-30-18 10:00 PM
  12. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    For the record, this was another release date promise broken. They said in August it would be available "beginning next month". It's October 1st and as far as I know nobody was able to buy a retail unit.

    (Now I'll patiently wait for someone to tell me "they meant available for purchase beginning next month, they never said shipping next month, and it popped up randomly on Amazon on September 29th so another promise kept by our leaders at BlackBerry™ Mobile™!" )
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    10-01-18 04:05 AM
  13. conite's Avatar
    For the record, this was another release date promise broken. They said in August it would be available "beginning next month". It's October 1st and as far as I know nobody was able to buy a retail unit.

    (Now I'll patiently wait for someone to tell me "they meant available for purchase beginning next month, they never said shipping next month, and it popped up randomly on Amazon on September 29th so another promise kept by our leaders at BlackBerry Mobile!" )
    I think you need to appreciate the difference between a "promise" and an "expectation". There is no quid pro quo, or sacred commitment being made.
    10-01-18 06:41 AM
  14. AmritD's Avatar
    As a B2B consultant, pretty much all of my work is a combination of meetings and email. Recently, on a Sunday when I only carried my KEYone, I received an unexpected email from a prospect who was in the US for a few days suggesting times for a meeting I'd been trying to schedule for months. But, because the KEYone doesn't rotate LED colors for unread messages in the HUB, I missed the blue LED that distinguishes that email account, and only saw the yellow one for my personal email.

    As a result, by the time I noticed the message an hour and a half later, the meeting time I had been offered was no longer available, and now I have to wait a few months until that prospect returns to the US. As a result, by the regression analysis we use, the likelihood of closing that $500K contract went from about 75% to less than 50% for a net loss of $125K in revenue and $45K in profit.

    That's the real world business cost of trying to use the KEYone as my primary phone on a lazy Sunday. Since I wasn't expecting the email, the only alternative would be to turn on the screen and scan my email every 10 minutes during all my waking hours!
    I totally agree with the LED color not rotating part.
    But I am curious to know how will having a laptop/tablet or whatever it is that you intend to switch take care of the problem?
    The use case scenario that you just described, how would a laptop/tablet/handled not let that happen?
    10-01-18 06:59 AM
  15. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I totally agree with the LED color not rotating part.
    But I am curious to know how will having a laptop/tablet or whatever it is that you intend to switch take care of the problem?
    The use case scenario that you just described, how would a laptop/tablet/handled not let that happen?
    It wouldn't at all. It would be an admission that I can no longer work the way I have for the past 15 years on mobile. My current workflow doesn't translate to Android or iOS so, rather than approximate what I do currently, I will re-engineer it so that my email on mobile reliance is reduced to what Android and iOS can support.

    What I imagine is that I will hire a service to triage email communications for me, similar to what a call service does for physicians. Then I'll always have the laptop with me to respond to the most urgent items and respond to the others in batches. It will be more expensive and less personal, but it will be reliable and sustainable.

    I'll probably always keep a mobile phone nearby (likely my KEYone, which I really like) , but I just can't expect Android to perform like a BBOS or BB10 device for written communications. Android's soul is fundamentally different.
    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Last edited by bb10adopter111; 10-01-18 at 07:56 AM.
    10-01-18 07:41 AM
  16. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    I think you need to appreciate the difference between a "promise" and an "expectation". There is no quid pro quo, or sacred commitment being made.
    Yep, there it is - the idiotic "words don't mean what they say" excuse.
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    10-01-18 01:15 PM
  17. conite's Avatar
    Yep, there it is - the idiotic "words don't mean what they say" excuse.
    If HBO says GoT will come out in early 2018, but circumstances delay it to mid-2018, have they broken a promise?
    10-01-18 01:23 PM
  18. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    If HBO says GoT will come out in early 2018, but circumstances delay it to mid-2018, have they broken a promise?
    You're talking about a glorified porn show, I'm talking about devices that people make plans and budgetary decisions around.
    10-01-18 01:28 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    You're talking about a glorified porn show, I'm talking about devices that people make plans and budgetary decisions around.
    Same thing.

    Synonyms for promise are oath, pledge, and vow.

    This is not the language that was used, and by no means the intent.

    And BTW, there is a lot more at stake to when GoT airs than anything BBMo has, or ever will, do - financially, and in about every other way one can imagine.
    10-01-18 01:31 PM
  20. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    Same thing.

    Synonyms for promise are oath, pledge, and vow.

    This is not the language that was used, and by no means the intent.

    And BTW, there is a lot more at stake to when GoT airs than anything BBMo has, or ever will, do - financially, and in about every other way one can imagine.
    The glorified porn example is apples to oranges and not impressive.

    If you go to a conference that is said to begin at 9 am and it doesn't start until 2 pm, is that a broken promise?
    10-01-18 04:26 PM
  21. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    The glorified porn example is apples to oranges and not impressive.

    If you go to a conference that is said to begin at 9 am and it doesn't start until 2 pm, is that a broken promise?
    Well if you go to that conference 10 time and all 10 time it does start at 2PM....

    Listen, at this point there are no "companies" making plans or budgets about BBMo devices. And while a few fans might be discouraged that coming in September ended up preorders on like the last day work day of the month, with delivery not until a few week later. It's not like that is a big shock.


    Note saying that's a way to run a business... but it is their way.
    10-01-18 04:53 PM
  22. HostessCupcake's Avatar
    Well if you go to that conference 10 time and all 10 time it does start at 2PM....

    Listen, at this point there are no "companies" making plans or budgets about BBMo devices. And while a few fans might be discouraged that coming in September ended up preorders on like the last day work day of the month, with delivery not until a few week later. It's not like that is a big shock.


    Note saying that's a way to run a business... but it is their way.
    B-b-but I thought their big play was BlackBerry™ Secure™ devices for Enterprise™?
    10-01-18 05:00 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    The glorified porn example is apples to oranges and not impressive.

    If you go to a conference that is said to begin at 9 am and it doesn't start until 2 pm, is that a broken promise?
    In 2016 alone, the show won 12 Primetime Emmy Awards, making it the Emmy’s second most successful TV series of all time. Plus, it is the 4th most expensive TV series ever produced. Over 30 million people watch it, with countless others around the world downloading it.

    The series earns over a billion dollars a year for its owners, and incredible amounts for ancillary businesses.

    A small smartphone OEM is utterly inconsequential compared.

    ----------

    In any event, if BBMo had said it will be available at 2:00pm next Tuesday, then that's one thing. Be "available in some markets next month" is another.
    Last edited by conite; 10-01-18 at 05:30 PM.
    10-01-18 05:15 PM
  24. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    You're talking about a glorified porn show, I'm talking about devices that people make plans and budgetary decisions around.
    Nobody, and I really mean NOBODY, is making plans and budgeting decisions about specific smartphone devices in 2018. Other than ensuring compatibility with an enterprise's MDM and security model, 99% of companies couldn't care less which specific phones their employees use.
    10-01-18 05:39 PM
  25. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Nobody, and I really mean NOBODY, is making plans and budgeting decisions about specific smartphone devices in 2018. Other than ensuring compatibility with an enterprise's MDM and security model, 99% of companies couldn't care less which specific phones their employees use.
    Especially with the name BlackBerry attached. We buy the hardware as niche fans of a niche brand.
    10-01-18 05:51 PM
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