When is KEY2 LE available for purchase in USA?
- I think we can safely assume that they are doing what they always do (and should be doing) for the US market: offer it first to carriers and hope that 1) several pick it up or 2) one picks it up as an exclusive offer. They know that it's easier to sell through carriers in the US.
If no carriers offer it, they will launch unlocked through retailers like they have with the previous three phones.
Posted with my trusty Z1009-26-18 07:09 AMLike 0 -
Posted with my trusty Z1009-26-18 07:48 AMLike 0 - Without any USA carrier sales and support, this licensing deal will end. Not having carrier sales and support will block enhanced calling features and possibly even basic calling features. We’ve seen this on Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and now even T-Mobile. With the pending merger of Sprint and T-Mobile, this doesn’t appear to look good. Before anybody thinks I’m anti-business, I’m actually pro-business. The carriers are following the progression of industry consolidation and uniformity. These newer hardware policies affect OEMs not limited to BBMo/TCL even when purchased through carriers.09-26-18 08:26 AMLike 0
- Still don't get the SKU options.... four production variant, with three colors and two storage sizes. I get not all variant will be all the options, and thus not all markets will see them. But still seems like small BBMo has created a problem for themselves.09-26-18 09:10 AMLike 0
- Plus all of the different PRDs and localized OEM partitions that pop up across the five (yes, five) BBE100-x models.09-26-18 09:20 AMLike 0
- More likely it's what they planned all along.... When a BlackBerry device is suppose to launch in a particular month, than means the last business day of said month that orders will be opened. Delivery... that's another thing.
But someone has seen some dummy units showing up in Canada, so it's got to be soon (for Canada anyway).09-26-18 11:53 AMLike 0 - Why apologize if that was intent? I don’t apologize to people just because they don’t like how things are done. Buy different phone or whatever if you don’t like how things are done....09-26-18 12:04 PMLike 0
- Without any USA carrier sales and support, this licensing deal will end. Not having carrier sales and support will block enhanced calling features and possibly even basic calling features. We’ve seen this on Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and now even T-Mobile. With the pending merger of Sprint and T-Mobile, this doesn’t appear to look good. Before anybody thinks I’m anti-business, I’m actually pro-business. The carriers are following the progression of industry consolidation and uniformity. These newer hardware policies affect OEMs not limited to BBMo/TCL even when purchased through carriers.09-26-18 12:46 PMLike 0
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- I'd say it launched on July 10th because that's when they actually had their screens properly attached.09-26-18 12:54 PMLike 0
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- Without any USA carrier sales and support, this licensing deal will end. Not having carrier sales and support will block enhanced calling features and possibly even basic calling features. We’ve seen this on Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and now even T-Mobile. With the pending merger of Sprint and T-Mobile, this doesn’t appear to look good. Before anybody thinks I’m anti-business, I’m actually pro-business. The carriers are following the progression of industry consolidation and uniformity. These newer hardware policies affect OEMs not limited to BBMo/TCL even when purchased through carriers.
TCL purchased BlackBerry so they wouldn't have to compete solely on specs and price (which they could have, and did, attempt without the brand). There's still no profits in mobile for them without the brand. If they end the licensing deal, I think they may also simply exit mobile.
Posted with my trusty Z1009-26-18 01:32 PMLike 0 -
Can a manufacture of a device with enterprise grade security, and premium price points survive without the US? Of course they should be able to.
But the real question is why isn't the US market buying into BBMo? Is it an indicator or just a result of some difficulty with that market? It's not just the US that hasn't embraced the KEY2.09-26-18 01:56 PMLike 0 - That's what people said about BBOS when US Sales declined...
Can a manufacture of a device with enterprise grade security, and premium price points survive without the US? Of course they should be able to.
But the real question is why isn't the US market buying into BBMo? Is it an indicator or just a result of some difficulty with that market? It's not just the US that hasn't embraced the KEY2.09-26-18 02:21 PMLike 0 -
To customers who saved their hard-earned money to buy a device in April and weren't able to receive it until June due to their inability to meet their own promise.
I don't think we know enough yet to prognosticate what will happen with the licensing agreement. We know that BlackBerry Mobile hasn't had any runaway hits yet, but we don't know what their sales trends or financials look like. For all we know they could be slightly profitable or very unprofitable at current volumes and satisfied with or horrified by the trends.
TCL purchased BlackBerry so they wouldn't have to compete solely on specs and price (which they could have, and did, attempt without the brand). There's still no profits in mobile for them without the brand. If they end the licensing deal, I think they may also simply exit mobile.
Posted with my trusty Z10
And releasing devices later than promised at high prices with screens that fall out are not helping. But of course none of that was avoidable or their fault because of the BIG Picture™.09-26-18 02:25 PMLike 0 - 09-26-18 02:40 PMLike 1
- Samsung did not intend for the Note 7 to catch on fire, but they apologized to customers and made a proactive recall. They didn't tell customers "wait until it catches on fire then call our warranty center in Mexico and we'll exchange it in 3-5 business days" like TCL did with the screens.
To customers who saved their hard-earned money to buy a device in April and weren't able to receive it until June due to their inability to meet their own promise.
TCL as a whole lost tens of millions of dollars last fiscal year. But it's not spelled out what the mobile unit did.
If the screens were badly glued, I’m not so sure they would have done such a massive pro-active recall to the point of having booths in airports lol09-26-18 02:46 PMLike 0 -
- Samsung did not intend for the Note 7 to catch on fire, but they apologized to customers and made a proactive recall. They didn't tell customers "wait until it catches on fire then call our warranty center in Mexico and we'll exchange it in 3-5 business days" like TCL did with the screens.
To customers who saved their hard-earned money to buy a device in April and weren't able to receive it until June due to their inability to meet their own promise.
TCL as a whole lost tens of millions of dollars last fiscal year. But it's not spelled out what the mobile unit did.
And releasing devices later than promised at high prices with screens that fall out are not helping. But of course none of that was avoidable or their fault because of the BIG Picture.
The delay of the CDMA devices was due to Verizon. Until they decided to whitelist, there was no point in having product for sale.
Anyone could have cancelled their order and been refunded their "hard-earned" money.
Overall product fulfillment was slow at launch, because they grossly underestimated the demand. As a fan, I would only see that as a good thing.09-26-18 03:20 PMLike 0 - My point was to a bigger shift in the OEM space where I’m afraid many OEMs will disappear like in desktop and laptop market of the 90s and 00s. The carriers seem to be filling out mid-tier with existing OEMs than new players. Support could range to only fully supporting certain brands and even only supporting Enhanced features on just higher end devices. Similar to how PRD numbers control aspects now. I was in a AT&T store and OEM rep came in. Store was dead at time of day. OEM rep explained how latest discussion within their large Flagship OEM is how Google is now viewed as the biggest potential future competition as consumers across spectrum appear to prefer more consistency and uniformity even within Android.09-26-18 05:41 PMLike 0
- I personally would like to see BlackBerry make a tiny comeback in the USA, but don't see a path to that happening.
I'm content with BBMo catering to a niche market. If they can make up the sales in the absence of a viable US market, than more power to them. The question though, is that niche market enough to sustain this licensing venture that TCL has undertaken? Is it worth the investment to make razor thin margins if not break even? (btw: I have zero knowledge into how BBMo is doing financially) Is there a cross-sell long term strategy in play that starts by seeding TCL products through the BB user base and then expanding across other lines of business (I don't see a path there either)?
I am legitimately curious as to what the C-level position is on this BB licensing deal.
Personally, I'm glad they did it because it means that I can still buy BB devices in 2018 (and hopefully beyond).the_boon likes this.09-26-18 10:20 PMLike 1 - The bottom line is that the peak interest in mobile devices is far behind us. When "to notch or not to notch" is a topic for articles and discussions, hardware is no longer terribly relevant.
App compatibility is a"lowest common denominator" that has already pretty much commoditized phones. Since they all run the same apps, only power users trying to squeeze more out of their devices will care which phone they carry. And that's a sliver of the population..
As I prepare to move on from BB10 and give up on using mobile as my preferred email platform, I find that I simply don't care which Android or iOS device I have at hand, because it's no longer a bottleneck for my performance.Last edited by bb10adopter111; 09-27-18 at 04:03 PM.
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