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  1. conite's Avatar
    Nothing to do with liking or disliking; I simply asked for the source of your determination. Given you may not have or can't provide it you resroted to "self evident" from which point there is no basis for continuation as the discussion won't be based on facts .
    I base my statement on the most logical interpretation I can come up with given the available information. If you have another, equally thought out alternative, then I would be more than happy to discuss it.

    We obviously don't know the minds of the leaders of TCL, so all we can do is analyse what we have. If we had perfect information, we wouldn't even need this forum at all.
    07-20-19 05:26 PM
  2. RK_BB's Avatar
    I base my statement on the most logical interpretation I can come up with given the available information.
    We all try to do the same!
    We obviously don't know the minds of the leaders of TCL, so all we can do is analyse what we have. If we had perfect information, we wouldn't even need this forum at all.
    Agreed.
    07-20-19 05:47 PM
  3. howarmat's Avatar
    Yes true, BestBuy is no longer selling any BlackBerry devices.
    Thank you author for the credibility!
    yeah the author who created a duplicate account just to start a rumor with no proof at all and has since been banned....
    07-20-19 07:51 PM
  4. jeremyr4's Avatar
    So I haven't kept up with the posts over the last week or two. I just read through this entire thread and I have 2 questions:

    1) People keep referring to "what happened over the last couple of weeks with BB". Can someone please share what that means? Did BB Mobile stop operating in the US?
    2) I just tried to find a Key2 LE on Amazon and, while it can be purchased, it looks like Amazon isn't currently selling them (meaning you can't buy one from the seller Amazon). Does anyone know if Amazon stopped selling the Key2 LE? I am asking because if they stopped selling it then I might stock up on a few to be sure I have a few backups assuming that a Key3 isn't in the cards. I literally just switched from a Blackberry Classic so I am happy to use a good phone for many years if I have enough backup units!

    Thank You,
    Jeremy
    07-20-19 09:41 PM
  5. RK_BB's Avatar
    So I haven't kept up with the posts over the last week or two. I just read through this entire thread and I have 2 questions:

    1) People keep referring to "what happened over the last couple of weeks with BB". Can someone please share what that means? Did BB Mobile stop operating in the US?
    2) I just tried to find a Key2 LE on Amazon and, while it can be purchased, it looks like Amazon isn't currently selling them (meaning you can't buy one from the seller Amazon). Does anyone know if Amazon stopped selling the Key2 LE? I am asking because if they stopped selling it then I might stock up on a few to be sure I have a few backups assuming that a Key3 isn't in the cards. I literally just switched from a Blackberry Classic so I am happy to use a good phone for many years if I have enough backup units!

    Thank You,
    Jeremy
    In short, it looks like BlackBerry Mobile products are not available for sale in the US from any of the authorized resellers, Amazon or Best Buy.

    Why? No one knows for sure; there are plently of assumption, ranging from closing down shop all the way to focusing on other markets.
    Last edited by RK_BB; 07-21-19 at 03:24 PM.
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    07-20-19 10:07 PM
  6. conite's Avatar
    there are plently of assumption, ranging from closing down shop all the way to focusing on other markets.
    And we KNOW it's not the former, because they ARE launching product in other markets as we speak.
    07-20-19 11:33 PM
  7. RK_BB's Avatar
    And we KNOW it's not the former, because they ARE launching product in other markets as we speak.
    In order to sell any available inventory and fulfill exisiting commitments after which a shut down IS possible.
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    07-21-19 12:19 AM
  8. Paulelmar18's Avatar
    yeah the author who created a duplicate account just to start a rumor with no proof at all and has since been banned....
    Does that make his statement false?
    07-21-19 03:08 AM
  9. Paulelmar18's Avatar
    They didn't forgo the American market - they were among the first to get the product, and sold for a year - essentially saturating the market.

    Clearly BBMo has run the numbers, and so far, has decided the residual sales in NA would not pay to retool the production lines to produce more NA devices. I'm sure their market analysis makes the math fairly easy.
    Not only have they forgotten the American market, they're even punishing it. America is no longer interesting for TCL (shoult Mr. President be away of this). This is the only way to understand the company's behavior. Should the few devices that TCL has sold in the USA really have covered the demand? I don't think so.

    And not offering KEYxxx at all is not the usual procedure either. If the demand drops, I reduce the supply and don't drive it towards zero.

    If every potential TCL customer neither sees a BlackBerry device in the shops nor online, or just reads "Out of stock" and nothing changes for months, then the brand disappears from the customer's field of vision.

    TCL sells its remaining stocks in exotic markets (South Pacific, ...) with low demand and little knowledge about the only one year of support left and then makes off.
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    07-21-19 03:11 AM
  10. John Albert's Avatar
    Well, It looks like TCL is done with BlackBerry devices, unless they are only committing suicide business decisions.
    The brand is going to fade away and people are moving. Most importantly, no sales means no revenue and no growth.
    We don't need a business specialist to interpret that bad maneuver.
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    07-21-19 03:20 AM
  11. conite's Avatar
    Not only have they forgotten the American market, they're even punishing it. America is no longer interesting for TCL (shoult Mr. President be away of this). This is the only way to understand the company's behavior. Should the few devices that TCL has sold in the USA really have covered the demand? I don't think so.
    TCL is the 3rd biggest supplier of TVs in the US, and the 4th biggest Android smartphone supplier. TCL isn't going anywhere.

    After a full year in the US already, how big do you think the residual KEY² market is?
    Last edited by conite; 07-21-19 at 08:12 AM.
    07-21-19 06:09 AM
  12. conite's Avatar
    Well, It looks like TCL is done with BlackBerry devices, unless they are only committing suicide business decisions.
    You seem fixated on the one-year-old residual US market. Do you really believe that's the make or break for BBMo? What are we talking about - maybe a few hundred units?
    07-21-19 08:51 AM
  13. the_boon's Avatar
    After a full year in the US already, how big do you think the residual KEY² market is?
    The LE hasn't had a full year yet
    07-21-19 09:09 AM
  14. conite's Avatar
    The LE hasn't had a full year yet
    Ok. 8 months, same question.
    07-21-19 09:17 AM
  15. Paulelmar18's Avatar
    TCL is the 3rd biggest supplier of TVs in the US, and the 4th biggest Android smartphone supplier. TCL isn't going anywhere.

    After a full year in the US already, how big do you think the residual KEY² market is?
    What has your statement "TCL is the 3rd biggest supplier of TVs in the US" to do with my post concerning their BlackBerry engagement?

    And the residual KEY² market is at least larger than zero and larger than the demand in Tuvalu.
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    07-21-19 09:26 AM
  16. conite's Avatar
    What has your statement "TCL is the 3rd biggest supplier of TVs in the US" to do with my post concerning their BlackBerry engagement?

    And the residual KEY² market is at least larger than zero and larger than the demand in Tuvalu.
    I thought your statement "America is no longer interesting for TCL" was more general in nature. My bad.

    I don't know what the KEY² residual market in the US is compared to Japan or Australia. I suspect TCL has a better handle on it than either of us.
    07-21-19 09:29 AM
  17. Paulelmar18's Avatar
    But would you agree with me when I say, the residual market in the USA is larger than zero?
    07-21-19 09:34 AM
  18. the_boon's Avatar
    Ok. 8 months, same question.
    So...maybe the LE also deserved a full year?
    07-21-19 09:43 AM
  19. elfabio80's Avatar

    After a full year in the US already, how big do you think the residual KEY² market is?
    You pretend to speak here like they sold 100 million units... Do you have numbers? I am sure you have not..
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    07-21-19 09:46 AM
  20. conite's Avatar
    You pretend to speak here like they sold 100 million units... Do you have numbers? I am sure you have not..
    I don't know how many they sold, that's not really relevant. The question is, after being on the market for so long here, what do you think the size of the untapped market is?

    TCL has the info and has chosen to divert its attention elswhere.
    07-21-19 09:54 AM
  21. RK_BB's Avatar
    Bottom line, for now BlackBerry Mobile is dead in the US.
    07-21-19 10:12 AM
  22. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    But would you agree with me when I say, the residual market in the USA is larger than zero?
    Literally, yes. Dozens of phone orders don’t constitute significant, measurable demand though. If the profitability exists, I suspect that BBMo would respond like with the Red Edition recently. Unlike BB with BB10 hardware, BBMo has the numbers and data required for profit.
    07-21-19 10:41 AM
  23. Invictus0's Avatar
    And we KNOW it's not the former, because they ARE launching product in other markets as we speak.
    I remember many were saying that after this, a week later...

    BlackBerry makes comeback in Korea with PRIV smartphone

    The Key3 could very well be around the corner but without better messaging fans are left guessing (which realistically, many have been doing since 2013). I think the only difference now is many are more willing to switch brands than they were a few years ago.
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    07-21-19 11:06 AM
  24. conite's Avatar
    So...maybe the LE also deserved a full year?
    Do you really think TCL is operating against what their own numbers tell them? I find this whole discussion rather confusing.
    07-21-19 11:09 AM
  25. joshualebowitz's Avatar
    Bottom line, for now BlackBerry Mobile is dead in the US.
    Now that BlackBerry Mobile is finished, do you think another licensee would consider a deal with BlackBerry? With a proper marketing campaign, focused on security and the ability of the physical keyboard to replace the need to carry around a laptop, the phones could be a big success.
    07-21-19 11:16 AM
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