07-02-19 04:08 PM
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  1. anon(10572925)'s Avatar
    What do you guys think:

    Which device is more secure:
    A BlackBerry Key2 or an iPhone against "attacking"from inside (trackers, build in Google or Apple services, respect of the owners privacy) and outside (safety of data, hackers, governments ect )?
    And why?

    Cheers
    06-30-19 07:12 AM
  2. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    What do you guys think:

    Which device is more secure:
    A BlackBerry Key2 or an iPhone against "attacking"from inside (trackers, build in Google or Apple services, respect of the owners privacy) and outside (safety of data, hackers, governments ect )?
    And why?

    Cheers
    Outside intruders? Probably about the same. You’re unlikely to get hacked on either platform outside of government actors.

    Inside privacy concerns? iPhone. Apple adds new permissions restrictions for apps and anti-tracking measures in both the APIs and Safari with each new release. Here’s some more information:
    https://www.apple.com/privacy/approach-to-privacy/#mn_p

    And some features in iOS 13 (scroll down to “Privacy and Security” & “Sign in with Apple”):
    https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-13-preview/features/#mn_p
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    06-30-19 08:01 AM
  3. howarmat's Avatar
    Apple I think is the more private OS by a good margin. You can lock down a google device but it does require quite a bit of work, so out of the box Apple offers betting privacy.

    As for the second part and outside parties, both are fairly secure if you are a small user that sitcks with only apps from the official stores. Governments have their ways of getting what they need no matter what but either OS should be fairly safe from most of the normal attacks out there.
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    06-30-19 08:37 AM
  4. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Out of the Box, Apple is better at both security and privacy. But properly used and configured, both Apple and Android are very secure.

    Out of the box, Apple is much, much better at privacy, but properly used and configured, both are moderately good at privacy.

    If privacy matters to you on your phone, you should understand that your carrier is the biggest threat. Purchase your phone unlocked and set it up anonymously with an Alias on a prepaid service. Then immediately install the 1.1.1.1 app from Cloudflare to bypass your carrirr's DNS service and encryption all DNS traffic, then use a VPN to hide the rest from your carrier.

    If you do those things, your carrier won't have your identity, or know which Web sites you visit or what apps you use.

    And if you set up your phone with an alias, Google won't know your identity, but you'll need a Faraday bag to prevent your carrier and Google knowing where you spend the night.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    06-30-19 09:17 AM
  5. CrackPriv's Avatar
    Clearly the BlackBerry Key series ! Because of Kernel hardening, Intrusion detection, root of trust.
    06-30-19 11:14 AM
  6. Invictus0's Avatar
    iOS is a lot more locked down than Android is and Apple is pushing a lot of privacy features so out of the box, the iPhone would be a better choice.

    You can manually lock down an Android device to be more private by disabling or limiting Google Play Services, using apps from F-Droid, etc but you'll get a more limited experience from Android as a result (some apps won't work without enabling Location Accuracy, Google Play Services having all permissions, etc).

    On Android getting monthly updates is also a must if you care about security, the Key2 might only have another year of updates left.

    Clearly the BlackBerry Key series ! Because of Kernel hardening, Intrusion detection, root of trust.
    Even the iPhone has root of trust, secure boot, etc but it's literally comparing Apples and Oranges as there's no common link between either OS (unlike BB Android and Android for example).
    06-30-19 11:34 AM
  7. CrackPriv's Avatar
    iOS is a lot more locked down than Android is and Apple is pushing a lot of privacy features so out of the box, the iPhone would be a better choice.

    You can manually lock down an Android device to be more private by disabling or limiting Google Play Services, using apps from F-Droid, etc but you'll get a more limited experience from Android as a result (some apps won't work without enabling Location Accuracy, Google Play Services having all permissions, etc).

    On Android getting monthly updates is also a must if you care about security, the Key2 might only have another year of updates left.



    Even the iPhone has root of trust, secure boot, etc but it's literally comparing Apples and Oranges as there's no common link between either OS (unlike BB Android and Android for example).
    https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/pro...re-smartphones
    06-30-19 12:34 PM
  8. Linto988's Avatar
    Apple can be jailbreaked whereas BlackBerry cannot be rooted. So I believe blackberry is more secured.

     BlackBerry Q10  BlackBerry Key2
    CrackPriv likes this.
    06-30-19 01:43 PM
  9. conite's Avatar
    Apple can be jailbreaked whereas BlackBerry cannot be rooted. So I believe blackberry is more secured.

     BlackBerry Q10  BlackBerry Key2
    That is only one of many threat models.

    Frankly, the question can not be definitively answered as it depends on what vulnerabilities your particular workflow exposes you to.
    06-30-19 01:50 PM
  10. Invictus0's Avatar
    iOS has many of those features too (downgrade protection, ASLR, etc),

    https://www.apple.com/business/site/...Guide.pdf#mn_p

    Ultimately it's meaningless to compare features like this as devices are usually exploited in other ways.
    06-30-19 04:25 PM
  11. thurask's Avatar
    If the user has a half a brain the platform's inherent "security" is less of an issue if at all.
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    06-30-19 04:29 PM
  12. anon(10572925)'s Avatar
    If the user has a half a brain the platform's inherent "security" is less of an issue if at all.
    Maybe.
    But i think you agree, when I say that Apple has a better reputation in respecting users privacy than Google.
    This must have a reason and has nothing to do with the users brain capacity.
    06-30-19 05:09 PM
  13. bh7171's Avatar
    I don't know how many starlets use Blackberry but their nudes being secured and privacy on iOS seems to be rather porous from past exploitations. Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton come to mind.
    06-30-19 10:53 PM
  14. conite's Avatar
    I don't know how many starlets use Blackberry but their nudes being secured and privacy on iOS seems to be rather porous from past exploitations. Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton come to mind.
    That's what happens when your iCloud password is 1234.
    06-30-19 11:36 PM
  15. IceCreamPlz's Avatar
    We also need to consider the way we use devices. We have apps, that perform background processes and share our data without our knowing.

    Although this is true of both ecosystems, I like DTEK and its ability to show you what's going on on your device without your knowledge.

    Go to DTEK and set all the permissions to sensitive. then see all the notifications roll in...

    applications that ARENT EVEN OPEN are getting and transmiting your location.
    07-01-19 02:24 AM
  16. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    I don't know how many starlets use Blackberry but their nudes being secured and privacy on iOS seems to be rather porous from past exploitations. Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton come to mind.
    When did it magically become 2014 again?
    07-01-19 06:49 AM
  17. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I don't know how many starlets use Blackberry but their nudes being secured and privacy on iOS seems to be rather porous from past exploitations. Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton come to mind.
    Their phones were not hacked on those cases. As Conite stated, it was a breach of iClould.
    TgeekB likes this.
    07-01-19 07:49 AM
  18. howarmat's Avatar
    applications that ARENT EVEN OPEN are getting and transmiting your location.
    yes as many are supposed to be doing
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    07-01-19 08:14 AM
  19. jackcarr's Avatar
    That's what happens when your iCloud password is 1234.
    Good one! I laughed when I saw your post.
    07-01-19 10:45 AM
  20. bh7171's Avatar
    What's the difference?
    Their phones were not hacked on those cases. As Conite stated, it was a breach of iClould.
    07-01-19 12:12 PM
  21. Emaderton3's Avatar
    What's the difference?
    They did not gain access through the phone, so the device was never compromised.
    TgeekB likes this.
    07-01-19 12:13 PM
  22. bh7171's Avatar
    Just their personal images taken with said device so their privacy was breached. Again, what is the difference??
    They did not gain access through the phone, so the device was never compromised.
    07-01-19 12:18 PM
  23. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Just their personal images taken with said device so their privacy was breached. Again, what is the difference??
    It was breached through someone logging in to their iCloud accounts to get the pictures which were synced from their phones. No one logged into their phones.
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    07-01-19 12:20 PM
  24. conite's Avatar
    Just their personal images taken with said device so their privacy was breached. Again, what is the difference??
    It's like someone hacking your DropBox account from a computer. It has nothing to do with your device.
    TgeekB and Mecca EL like this.
    07-01-19 12:21 PM
  25. howarmat's Avatar
    Just their personal images taken with said device so their privacy was breached. Again, what is the difference??
    Do you honestly not see the difference? The device was not hacked. Their accounts were breached through other social engineering methods and/or password stupidity. Its the same as if you hotmail account was breached. You going to blame bb10 because of that? You sent your emails on the z10 after all.
    Mecca EL likes this.
    07-01-19 12:22 PM
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