Why is optical image stabilization not included?
- I believe it's on by default. Whether it works better on or off obviously depends on the situation. My point is people may want to brush up on their facts before getting into debates about missing features. LOL.07-16-18 10:57 AMLike 0
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That the KEY2 has a form of EIS, probable doesn't change that the OP is looking for OIS.07-16-18 11:20 AMLike 2 -
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LMGTFY I don't think I've bought a camera in 10 years, but it was a pretty common difference back then.
Most of your more expensive DSLR bodies and even some lenses would have OIS. Even higher end P&S cameras would have OIS, EIS was for the budget devices...
I'm sure software has greatly improved, making EIS more valuable... but then it also depends on who's software it is and how well they have optimized it.Last edited by Dunt Dunt Dunt; 07-16-18 at 11:46 AM.
07-16-18 11:35 AMLike 0 - LMGTFY I don't think I've bought a camera in 10 years, but it was a pretty common difference back then.
Most of your more expensive DSLR bodies and even some lenses would have OIS. Even higher end P&S cameras would have OIS, EIS was for the budget devices...
I'm sure software has greatly improved, making EIS more valuable... but then it also depends on who's software it is and how well they have optimized it.
Going back to OP's original post - the question was about OIS and whether other improvements were available. Well, Key2 has enhanced VIDEO stabilization available. Unfortunately no one even bothered to mention it, which is why I brought it up. Reading through this thread one would think TCL had given it no consideration at all. And of course, your regular bashing of TCL's quality is par for the course.
Not that anyone shouldn't take serious opinions based on ten year old comparisons of OIS versus EIS on SLR cameras (not enhanced video stabilization on a BlackBerry in 2018, which no one here seems to know ANYTHING about whatsoever) but I digress...07-16-18 12:21 PMLike 0 - I only use BlackBerry. I feel as though we always have to make one big concession with each phone (post android/iphone). I just don't understand why they would have a nice camera and omit something like OIS which would make the phone perfect. It's something that a lot of people would have appreciated. And that's the thing, I would love to take pics and videos with my BlackBerry with no issues. It's not the main reason I purchased the phone, but it would complete my experience. I'm sure not have OIS was a decision made for a reason and I just wanted some insight.07-17-18 07:42 AMLike 0
- I only use BlackBerry. I feel as though we always have to make one big concession with each phone (post android/iphone). I just don't understand why they would have a nice camera and omit something like OIS which would make the phone perfect. It's something that a lot of people would have appreciated. And that's the thing, I would love to take pics and videos with my BlackBerry with no issues. It's not the main reason I purchased the phone, but it would complete my experience. I'm sure not have OIS was a decision made for a reason and I just wanted some insight.07-17-18 08:17 AMLike 0
- I hope so. But some artifacts on the pictures and low pixel-precision (I don't know how to translate it well in english !) make me think more about a low-quality lens, more than the sensor itself and/or post-processing07-17-18 08:43 AMLike 0
- Don’t expect to much in camera software optimization if it comes from blackberry. They just dont have resource and experience with it.08-06-18 08:47 PMLike 0
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Maybe it's software and maybe they will fix it.
Maybe it's software and maybe they won't fully fix it.
Maybe it's hardware and they can't fix it. (lenses, processing, cheap cabling.....)ppeters914 likes this.08-07-18 07:28 AMLike 1 - From BBMo... those are just marketing words used to justify their pricing. If they really wanted to be viewed as a premium brand, they would have made the KEY2 a more premium device. You don't start off with a midgrade processor from last year, you don't use a basic LCD Display (can use LCD, but it's got to be best in class) - those are the two big items on what make a smartphone premium.
OIS, Wireless Charging, Waterproofing those are "extras" that some premium phones have... to build their premium image. BBMo didn't even start with the basics.08-07-18 07:35 AMLike 0 -
AT&T Passport did have wireless charging, and it's possible that AT&T will still pick up the KEY2, and maybe they'd want something to make theirs stand out.08-07-18 08:38 AMLike 0 - I suspect you are right on in your analysis. TCL isn't in a position to lose money, and the "the market is expanding so take big losses to secure marketshare" phase of the smartphone market ended in 2012. The market is mature, and has entered the consolidation phase where companies will either exit the market, be bought out by larger companies, or will exit the market completely.
In the late 80s and early 90s, there were a hundred companies making PCs (just for the US market). Today there are about 8, and the vast majority of the market is owned by about 4 companies (Apple, HP, Dell, and Acer). Smartphones are definitely heading that way.08-07-18 10:35 AMLike 0 - I cannot recommend this comment enough. If your desire is excellent video and amazing photos (truly amazing not smartphone amazing) then get a real camera. The DSLRs like Nikon and Canon. Smartphones have come a long way but don't forget DSLRs are also getting upgrades and new tech.08-07-18 10:38 AMLike 0
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- I cannot recommend this comment enough. If your desire is excellent video and amazing photos (truly amazing not smartphone amazing) then get a real camera. The DSLRs like Nikon and Canon. Smartphones have come a long way but don't forget DSLRs are also getting upgrades and new tech.
No one is suggesting that you're going to be a "professional" photographer or videographer with just a smartphone - those folks still buy DSLRs and video cameras, and for good reason - but a good smartphone camera can meet the routine needs of most people, and that's become the market expectation. The bar has been raised, and few people are going to forgive a lousy smartphone camera today - and they aren't going to carry around a DSLR in order to get decent low-light snaps of their kids at the park when everyone else is doing just fine with their phone camera. Instead, they're going to buy a different phone...08-07-18 11:10 AMLike 0 - As someone who owns a high-end DSLR and a 4K video camera, I don't think people have forgotten that these items exist - but mainstream consumers were never the market for these anyway. Instead, smartphones have almost completely replaced point-and-shoot cameras and handheld camcorders, because not only has the quality come up to par with those, but more importantly, because YOU ALWAYS HAVE YOUR PHONE WITH YOU, but it isn't practical for most people to also carry around a point-and-shoot or a camcorder everywhere they go.
No one is suggesting that you're going to be a "professional" photographer or videographer with just a smartphone - those folks still buy DSLRs and video cameras, and for good reason - but a good smartphone camera can meet the routine needs of most people, and that's become the market expectation. The bar has been raised, and few people are going to forgive a lousy smartphone camera today - and they aren't going to carry around a DSLR in order to get decent low-light snaps of their kids at the park when everyone else is doing just fine with their phone camera. Instead, they're going to buy a different phone...
Back to the topic at hand, I do think that most of Key2 issue with camera is software. I really really want to see what the actual picture of the sensor is coming out like (DNG/RAW).08-07-18 11:16 AMLike 0 - As someone who owns a high-end DSLR and a 4K video camera, I don't think people have forgotten that these items exist - but mainstream consumers were never the market for these anyway. Instead, smartphones have almost completely replaced point-and-shoot cameras and handheld camcorders, because not only has the quality come up to par with those, but more importantly, because YOU ALWAYS HAVE YOUR PHONE WITH YOU, but it isn't practical for most people to also carry around a point-and-shoot or a camcorder everywhere they go.
No one is suggesting that you're going to be a "professional" photographer or videographer with just a smartphone - those folks still buy DSLRs and video cameras, and for good reason - but a good smartphone camera can meet the routine needs of most people, and that's become the market expectation. The bar has been raised, and few people are going to forgive a lousy smartphone camera today - and they aren't going to carry around a DSLR in order to get decent low-light snaps of their kids at the park when everyone else is doing just fine with their phone camera. Instead, they're going to buy a different phone...
I'm a big fan of Disney World and go pretty often. I remember my first camcorder back in the 80's and lugging it around the two parks along with a Nikon camera that I had back then. Had another bag to hold the spare video tape and film and lenses. Glad those days are gone... My wife's iPhone take better images than anything I used back in the 80's or 90's - or then end results are better.jd3232 likes this.08-07-18 11:57 AMLike 1 - i can take superb video on my pixel 2 xl and note 8. there really was no excuse for the camera to be THIS BAD on a $650 phone. they would have been much better served to make one shooter with one good sensor. i will be interested to see the key3 next year08-07-18 12:09 PMLike 0
- I cannot recommend this comment enough. If your desire is excellent video and amazing photos (truly amazing not smartphone amazing) then get a real camera. The DSLRs like Nikon and Canon. Smartphones have come a long way but don't forget DSLRs are also getting upgrades and new tech.
blackberry is getting it right with the key2, but just need to fix the camera on the key308-07-18 12:14 PMLike 0 - why would you want to walk around with a "real camera" when you can buy a phone that has a great camera? i own a DSLR camera and nowadays the only time i use it is when i want to take a long exposure photo. theres no need for me to bring it out during the day because my phone does just as good of a job.
blackberry is getting it right with the key2, but just need to fix the camera on the key3
I was just saying if you are looking for really really really high quality pictures and that's what you are going for then you don't want a smartphone camera. You will want a DSLR.
I'm done. I've repeated this multiple times. Everybody just keep calm and use the camera/phone/DSLR that you want. I don't really care.Vistaus likes this.08-07-18 12:33 PMLike 1 -
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