Why nobody is pushing for replaceable batteries
- For a while now, many if not most phones come with built-in, non-repacable batteries.
I simply don't understand why people put up with this. While there is an implied promise or expectation of a fully built-in battery to have a higher capacity, I would argue that such difference is minimal if at all noticeable.
At the same time an easily replaceable battery has so many advantages and can save so many headaches in a variety of situations.
I'm writing all this, being somewhat frustrated to see that the new Key2 has a 'fixed' battery again. E.g. I know of a few Samsungs with fantastic battery life and yet featuring an easily replaceable battery by the user.jamesharmeling likes this.09-15-18 08:45 AMLike 1 - I know many phones are designed to withstand exposure to water, dirt and dust (samsung, etc.). With the Key line the battery performance has been exceptional. Add to it QC 3.0 (backwards compatible with QC 2.0) and swapping out batteries just has not been that big of an issue. Everyone has some down time to get a charge within 24 hours.
Even the phones you reference give up features like cordless charging.09-15-18 11:10 AMLike 0 - For a while now, many if not most phones come with built-in, non-repacable batteries.
I simply don't understand why people put up with this. While there is an implied promise or expectation of a fully built-in battery to have a higher capacity, I would argue that such difference is minimal if at all noticeable.
At the same time an easily replaceable battery has so many advantages and can save so many headaches in a variety of situations.
I'm writing all this, being somewhat frustrated to see that the new Key2 has a 'fixed' battery again. E.g. I know of a few Samsungs with fantastic battery life and yet featuring an easily replaceable battery by the user.09-15-18 11:20 AMLike 0 - Pushback from the customers has usually had good results in producing changes, but in this instance customers are silent and taking a beating. Hence my original question?
As a customer with my own interests, why would I be interested what the OEM's are interested in?jmorgan456 likes this.09-15-18 11:27 AMLike 1 - Because most customers have different concerns and preferences than you. The carriers and OEMs are doing a better job than you are to accept they’re viewpoint.dbollman423 likes this.09-15-18 11:35 AMLike 1
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The fact that most phones get you through the day just fine, and have quick charge to boot, negates the need for it.dbollman423 and rjedge54 like this.09-15-18 12:11 PMLike 2 -
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I do not question the space/weight argument, but how much space and weight saving are we talking about in order to give up easy battery serviceability? Particularly with respect to the unpredictable life expectancy of some phone batteries.
Ultimately something that IS serviceable (replaceable battery in this case) has clearly an advantage to something that NOT serviceable (fixed battery).
The main problem that I see is the complacency of customers. There is no passion, no vision, no expectations, no challenges.
No wonder the pace slowed down after Steve Jobs.Mamaluka likes this.09-15-18 01:38 PMLike 1 -
I'm not happy about it either, but I've learned that shouting at the sky for raining doesn't do much.
(But, I still do it sometimes)09-15-18 01:42 PMLike 5 -
- Those customers are enjoying. You posed a question. Manufacturers produce what generates the most profit. Companies aren’t in business to lower profits. If customers are happy with the current model, so be it.09-15-18 02:57 PMLike 0
- I have to strongly disagree with the failiure and wear points here. If this was an issue, then you could forget all high amp electrical connections via connectors. However high amp connectors do work and are proven technology for very long time already.
I do not question the space/weight argument, but how much space and weight saving are we talking about in order to give up easy battery serviceability? Particularly with respect to the unpredictable life expectancy of some phone batteries.
Ultimately something that IS serviceable (replaceable battery in this case) has clearly an advantage to something that NOT serviceable (fixed battery).
The main problem that I see is the complacency of customers. There is no passion, no vision, no expectations, no challenges.
No wonder the pace slowed down after Steve Jobs.09-15-18 02:59 PMLike 0 - For a long time they were very easy to replace though (up to the 5s).
I see it as their business model, batteries are know to wear over time and typically do so in 2-3 years, which was the regular life cycles of phones anyway. Although under sustainability processes, especially with fairly strong hardware the battery has become the main bottleneck in keeping your phone after 2-3 years.Bbnivende likes this.09-15-18 03:50 PMLike 1 - For a long time they were very easy to replace though (up to the 5s).
I see it as their business model, batteries are know to wear over time and typically do so in 2-3 years, which was the regular life cycles of phones anyway. Although under sustainability processes, especially with fairly strong hardware the battery has become the main bottleneck in keeping your phone after 2-3 years.09-15-18 04:02 PMLike 0 -
I associate those devices with non-replaceable batteries as "throwaways" unless one invests more $ in 3-4 years to have them rejuvenated. Then one can kiss the IP rating (if applicable) goodbye whenever that's done.
Manufactures found an area (not the first) where they can reap the benefits (profits) and us as consumers just keep buying into it. Agree, they aren't in the business to lower profits yet, IMHO, the greed level has surely risen.Last edited by Elky64; 09-15-18 at 04:37 PM.
09-15-18 04:18 PMLike 0 - I have to strongly disagree with the failiure and wear points here. If this was an issue, then you could forget all high amp electrical connections via connectors. However high amp connectors do work and are proven technology for very long time already.
I do not question the space/weight argument, but how much space and weight saving are we talking about in order to give up easy battery serviceability? Particularly with respect to the unpredictable life expectancy of some phone batteries.
Ultimately something that IS serviceable (replaceable battery in this case) has clearly an advantage to something that NOT serviceable (fixed battery).
The main problem that I see is the complacency of customers. There is no passion, no vision, no expectations, no challenges.
No wonder the pace slowed down after Steve Jobs.
I would much prefer a battery that lasts a day, rather than having to deal with the extra failure point and bulk.09-15-18 04:19 PMLike 0 -
All people expect is that the next phone is yet another slab with slightly enhanced CPU, screen and camera. That's enough for them to scream "Take my $$$".
Almost all those who tried to bring something different/innovative on this boring market failed... it's extremely frustrating as a consumer who expects more.
You walk into a car dealership, you see sedans, SUV's, coupes/convertibles, pickups etc...
You walk into a smartphone section at a store, you see slabs...and slabs.
As for Steve Jobs, well, the very first iPhone already killed off the removable battery (and it's battery life was AWEFUL) as well as expandable storage and of course the keyboard.09-15-18 04:38 PMLike 2 -
As far as the wear points argument goes, even simple wear points can be and are made very durable these days - so no problems there.
Indeed even the mechanically strongly used wear points of the USB charger of a fixed battery phone do usually last for the lifetime of the phone. By the way if anything, then the wear points argument should point rather to these USB charger contacts and not to the battery contacts!Elky64 likes this.09-15-18 04:59 PMLike 1 -
Being an electronics junkie having owned many many devices w/replaceable batteries we cannot recall one instance where wear points in this regard was even a concern, and we're talking over a course of several decades.
Even our present phones, w/replaceable batteries, never had an issue even though I probably had them in and out more times than Carter has pills.Last edited by Elky64; 09-15-18 at 09:10 PM.
WES51 likes this.09-15-18 05:04 PMLike 1 -
If we are talking about phones with fixed batteries, if anything the justification to those phones can only be one single thing - strong water resistance.
Instead here we are arguing about fixed vs. removable for what benefit? Manufacturers profit? Why, are we stockholders?Elky64 likes this.09-15-18 05:12 PMLike 1 - Well, the Galaxy S5 had an IP67 rating AND a removable battery. Although obviously I wouldn’t trust it in water as much as a sealed-in IP phone. But at least you got both worlds. Sammy proved it was possible. One more gen could have perfected it, who knows? But instead the S6 opted for fixed 2600mAh, and no SDcard support, which is a huge regression on so many levels, but that’s another topic.09-15-18 05:17 PMLike 2
- Exactly.
If we are talking about phones with fixed batteries, if anything the justification to those phones can only be one single thing - strong water resistance.
Instead here we are arguing about fixed vs. removable for what benefit? Manufacturers profit? Why, are we stockholders?09-15-18 05:19 PMLike 0 -
KEY1 should have already been flamed for having no removable battery OR at least it should have had wireless charging with that fixed battery. IF there was an outcry at that time, then we could have had quite possibly a CHANCE enjoying those features now on KEY2.
But even now, it appears as if I have to throttle back my "crazy", "out of this world", "impossible to realize" wishes and accept and bow to what I can buy and fork over my $$$ already.09-15-18 05:37 PMLike 0
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