Why I no longer recommend the KEY2 or any Blackberry device
- I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.07-18-19 04:15 PMLike 14 - Sorry. Just didn't know how to reply. Lots of good personal opinions in there, but I suspect lots of people are just going to tell you "...yeah, what's new?" or something like that. I think the act of venting is a good step to healing and moving on.
Posted via CB10 on Z1007-18-19 04:22 PMLike 3 - My post isn't about venting or healing. The reason for my post was twofold: to give potential new purchasers some information that might influence their decision, and to convey some voice-of-customer feedback to anyone from TCL/BBM who might read this so they better understand one component of why they are floundering.07-18-19 04:27 PMLike 4
- My post isn't about venting or healing. The reason for my post was twofold: to give potential new purchasers some information that might influence their decision, and to convey some voice-of-customer feedback to anyone from TCL/BBM who might read this so they better understand one component of why they are floundering.
Posted via CB10 on Z1007-18-19 04:30 PMLike 0 -
- I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.rkanazawa likes this.07-18-19 09:09 PMLike 1 - I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.
In your case, I would just ask yourself if the frustration of typing on glass will be greater than staying with your particular unit which doesn't correctly switch to or from capital letters.
Also, yes BBMo has had issues with its PKB's, but at least they're trying to serve that market and deliver that feature, while all the other OEM's force users to type on glass, giving them NO options whatsoever in ANY of the price points for a PKB.Last edited by the_boon; 07-18-19 at 09:59 PM.
07-18-19 09:44 PMLike 0 - I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.bh7171 likes this.07-18-19 11:48 PMLike 1 - No hardware or software issues on my BE KeyOne. Perhaps your sentiment will change when the Key 3 hits the market. Slabs are just slabs. I own a great one (S9) but if you want or prefer the physical attributes and efficiency of a PKB Blackberry is the only real credible game in town. Hope an update fixes your capitalisation issue(s). Realize all devices and device software can and do have idiosyncrasies.the_boon likes this.07-19-19 01:02 AMLike 1
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- BB has been sh*tting all over it's customers for a decade now. This is nothing new. At this point it's obvious they won't learn their lesson.07-19-19 02:07 AMLike 9
- I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.rarsen likes this.07-19-19 06:13 AMLike 1 - I've been a Blackberry user and something of an amateur product evangelist for decades. I've reached the end of my rope. Once my Key2 reaches the end of its useful life about a year from now, I will never buy another Blackberry (or TCL) device.
It pains me to say it, but TCL or Blackberry Mobile or whatever it's currently called has killed the product line. The final straw has been the issue with letters typed on the physical keyboard as capitals coming out as lowercase (see separate thread) and Blackberry's utter failure to address that flaw in core functionality.
But beyond that, I am giving up because the new owners of the Blackberry smartphone brand have also seemed to give up. They no longer seem to care that what sets them apart from other smartphone manufacturers are the physical keyboard and a user community of tech-savvy, business-focused powerusers who expect a premium user experience for the premium price we pay for a device whose only premium features, really, are the physical keyboard and supposedly hardened security.
What I've witnessed is a company that doesn't seem to care when those differentiators are what fail. When monthly Android security patches for Blackberry smartphones lag months behind patches for the Pixel or other phones, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When long-heralded OS upgrades don't materialize, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. When the physical keyboard types wrong letters, Blackberry doesn't seem to care. (In the case I described separately about physical keyboard failures, Blackberry literally didn't care, characterizing the issue as "a glitch" and telling me that as long as the keyboard works properly "85% of the time," the issue "won't be fixed because it is an expected glitch due to usage and fast typing.")
It's a sad day. The KeyONE and the Key2 allowed me to believe, for just a while, that the Blackberry era had been extended. I was wrong. The Blackberry era is long dead. I'm going to have to learn to type on glass, finally.
And the owners of the Blackberry brand should be very, very ashamed of themselves.
Also note, when I type, the majority of my capital letters are the start of sentences. So a double space will enter the period and capitalize the next letter. Other times, when I need a capital, I type lowercase and the predictions will give me the upper case word and I use that.
But in your case, I would completely agree with you in your stance with your issues. If I ran into problems and the OEM says it's normal behaviour, I would not be pleased. The keyboard is the highlight of these devices. I would expect them to try to perfect it. My biggest gripe is when I hold a letter down to capitalize, it takes longer than I would like and it lists a bunch of 'options' for this letter. I just want a capital letter. BB10 (if I recall correctly) could capitalize faster, without a list of optional characters.07-19-19 07:07 AMLike 0 - ... My biggest gripe is when I hold a letter down to capitalize, it takes longer than I would like and it lists a bunch of 'options' for this letter. I just want a capital letter. BB10 (if I recall correctly) could capitalize faster, without a list of optional characters.07-19-19 09:48 AMLike 0
- Hmmm ... I'm on the Key2 and I don't have that issue. It actually changes to a capital quite quickly. I do get options for other characters (accents and other weird characters), but it picks the capital of the letter I am typing by default. I only have one language selected, but not sure if that plays a role.
And when I get a suggestion for odd characters, that doesn't help me with my English language in any way. I want word predictions. Is there a way to turn this off?07-19-19 10:13 AMLike 0 - Based on their silence, doesn't seem there will ever be another BlackBerry Mobile device. If you like the current devices (and, in my opinion, the KEYone and KEY2 are excellent), makes sense to try to buy a backup version. It is certainly a frustrating situation for passionate fans of BlackBerry devices, but the folks at TCL don't seem too concerned about it.07-19-19 10:39 AMLike 4
- Based on their silence, doesn't seem there will ever be another BlackBerry Mobile device. If you like the current devices (and, in my opinion, the KEYone and KEY2 are excellent), makes sense to try to buy a backup version. It is certainly a frustrating situation for passionate fans of BlackBerry devices, but the folks at TCL don't seem too concerned about it.07-19-19 10:49 AMLike 0
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- Based on their silence, doesn't seem there will ever be another BlackBerry Mobile device. If you like the current devices (and, in my opinion, the KEYone and KEY2 are excellent), makes sense to try to buy a backup version. It is certainly a frustrating situation for passionate fans of BlackBerry devices, but the folks at TCL don't seem too concerned about it.
This panic only exists in this Crackberry bubble.Hazo and Andrew Poderis like this.07-19-19 11:01 AMLike 2 -
Did they take hundreds of those shots last year before launch and decided to post them almost every day with some inspirational marketing quote, no matter if the damn device being shown is available to purchase or not??07-19-19 11:24 AMLike 3 - Based on their silence, doesn't seem there will ever be another BlackBerry Mobile device. If you like the current devices (and, in my opinion, the KEYone and KEY2 are excellent), makes sense to try to buy a backup version. It is certainly a frustrating situation for passionate fans of BlackBerry devices, but the folks at TCL don't seem too concerned about it.
I hope Key3 comes out too07-19-19 11:24 AMLike 0 - Sure, but what's with the continuous marketing of the LE on instagram?
Did they take hundreds of those shots last year before launch and decided to post them almost every day with some inspirational marketing quote, no matter if the damn device being shown is available to purchase or not??anon(10387168) likes this.07-19-19 11:28 AMLike 1 - Sure, but what's with the continuous marketing of the LE on instagram?
Did they take hundreds of those shots last year before launch and decided to post them almost every day with some inspirational marketing quote, no matter if the damn device being shown is available to purchase or not??07-19-19 11:31 AMLike 0
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