- For you Chuck, and others, this is obviously a "small feature." However, there are many of us that feel having the ability to type and swipe predicted words efficiently is a feature we have been accustomed to, and feel we should be able to maintain that convenience. Unfortunately this is not the case with the KEY2 as it was on previous BlackBerry devices.
So for us this is a "big" feature and for you, or others, to expect us to accept it and not be disgruntled KEY2 owners is not acceptable in my opinion. Again, aside from this flaw/defect with the PKB I am exceedingly happy with my KEY2. If this issue didn't exist the KEY2 would be for me a perfect device.
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BobPaulelmar18 and anon(10387168) like this.11-01-19 03:42 PMLike 2 - BBMo felt it was area that could be compromised with less consumer impact. Much the same way that VZW supported the LE which totally removes the feature. I wonder if BBMo, given the chance for a do-over would have eliminated the feature and rolled out two LE versions, 4gb and 6gb with better carrier support from the initial offering. Capacitive PKB design was carried over from BB and that was probably a mistake from their own commercial failure. All the nuances seem to be more hindrance than help. The LE reminds me of the Curve back when. Cheap when compared to my 8700 or 9000 but consumers loved that inexpensive no frills design.11-01-19 03:51 PMLike 0
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Unfortunately, although most people will see their situation improved, some will get left behind. That's the nature of progress.11-01-19 03:55 PMLike 0 - Still love my Key2. Just a bit annoying being behind on software updates and stuff. Happy with the phone though.Laura Knotek likes this.11-01-19 04:04 PMLike 1
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BobPaulelmar18 and anon(10387168) like this.11-01-19 04:14 PMLike 2 - This is in regards to the comment about being accustomed to having Blackberries with the swipe up word predictions working flawlessly. Did Blackberry even have that feature before the Priv and the Key series? I'm not trying to be a smart a?? . I just honestly don't remember the other devices having that feature.11-01-19 04:44 PMLike 0
- This is in regards to the comment about being accustomed to having Blackberries with the swipe up word predictions working flawlessly. Did Blackberry even have that feature before the Priv and the Key series? I'm not trying to be a smart a?? . I just honestly don't remember the other devices having that feature.
Bobanon(10387168) likes this.11-01-19 04:53 PMLike 1 - When you're making significant changes and pulling a large number of levers in the process, many things will improve while some things will slip. If the end result is seen as a net improvement, then it's generally considered a win.
Unfortunately, although most people will see their situation improved, some will get left behind. That's the nature of progress.Laura Knotek likes this.11-01-19 05:12 PMLike 1 - And I'm still curious if the software under the hood is the same, being that it works (I'm going off what I've read) on the Passport, a BB10 device, and don't on subsequent offerings which aren't. BB10 keyboard software was built with the Swiftkey engine, how about the Priv and KEY series?11-01-19 05:15 PMLike 0
- The evidence is your device in your hand and your complaints. Something was changed from the previous devices. According you and others, it wasn’t fixed. I wouldn’t call it a feature. I’d call it an unintended result of changes made when BBMo designed the device and didn’t just carryover or copy previous design specs11-01-19 05:21 PMLike 0
- And I'm still curious if the software under the hood is the same, being that it works (I'm going off what I've read) on the Passport, a BB10 device, and don't on subsequent offerings which aren't. BB10 keyboard software was built with the Swiftkey engine, how about the Priv and KEY series?
Obviously something happened in the production of the keyboard when it went to BlackBerry Mobile. I doubt BlackBerry Mobile intentionally compromised this feature as previously claimed... I just think they screwed up... 🤣
Bobanon(10387168) likes this.11-01-19 05:21 PMLike 1 - Good question... however the PRIV had a flawless typing and swiping of predicted words experience. The PRIV was a BlackBerry Ltd. device and the KEY2 is BlackBerry Mobile obviously.
Obviously something happened in the production of the keyboard when it went to BlackBerry Mobile. I doubt BlackBerry Mobile intentionally compromised this feature as previously claimed... I just think they screwed up... ������
BobLaura Knotek likes this.11-01-19 05:25 PMLike 1 - I wasn’t claiming it to be intentional. Just that BBMo didn’t put in the same detail or testing and once discovered, wasn’t concerned that enough people would care in the final product. Similar to KEYone and screen issues. Some bean counter didn’t think some part of design was really that imported or BB original design was flawed and BBMo wasn’t has rigorous in tests.11-01-19 05:26 PMLike 0
- The evidence is your device in your hand and your complaints. Something was changed from the previous devices. According you and others, it wasn’t fixed. I wouldn’t call it a feature. I’d call it an unintended result of changes made when BBMo designed the device and didn’t just carryover or copy previous design specs
We all know the keyboard is flawed/defective on the KEY2. That is a fact, documented and acknowledged by TCL/BlackBerry Technical Support. Never in any of my numerous correspondence with BlackBerry Mobile Technical Support was it referenced they compromised the feature because of device design.
Bobanon(10387168) and Paulelmar18 like this.11-01-19 05:28 PMLike 2 - Good question... however the PRIV had a flawless typing and swiping of predicted words experience. The PRIV was a BlackBerry Ltd. device and the KEY2 is BlackBerry Mobile obviously.
Obviously something happened in the production of the keyboard when it went to BlackBerry Mobile. I doubt BlackBerry Mobile intentionally compromised this feature as previously claimed... I just think they screwed up... 🤣
BobLaura Knotek likes this.11-01-19 05:30 PMLike 1 - I wasn’t claiming it to be intentional. Just that BBMo didn’t put in the same detail or testing and once discovered, wasn’t concerned that enough people would care in the final product. Similar to KEYone and screen issues. Some bean counter didn’t think some part of design was really that imported or BB original design was flawed and BBMo wasn’t has rigorous in tests.
Bobanon(10387168) likes this.11-01-19 05:32 PMLike 1 - Unfortunately that is speculation on your part Chuck... I was asking for documentation and not speculation to support your statement.
We all know the keyboard is flawed/defective on the KEY2. That is a fact, documented and acknowledged by TCL/BlackBerry Technical Support. Never in any of my numerous correspondence with BlackBerry Mobile Technical Support was it referenced they compromised the feature because of device design.
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I’m sure BBMo just has their own way of doing things. BB failed as OEM in the 10’s so I doubt TCL was really looking to copy BB methods or cared about BB advice since TCL was looking for better results.
Like BBAndroid wasn’t meant to replicate BB10 software, BBMo wasn’t attempting to replicate BB in hardware.Laura Knotek likes this.11-01-19 05:34 PMLike 1 -
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- When you're making significant changes and pulling a large number of levers in the process, many things will improve while some things will slip. If the end result is seen as a net improvement, then it's generally considered a win.
Unfortunately, although most people will see their situation improved, some will get left behind. That's the nature of progress.elfabio80 likes this.11-01-19 06:40 PMLike 1 - This is in regards to the comment about being accustomed to having Blackberries with the swipe up word predictions working flawlessly. Did Blackberry even have that feature before the Priv and the Key series? I'm not trying to be a smart a?? . I just honestly don't remember the other devices having that feature.11-01-19 06:41 PMLike 0
- What am I missing here? BBMo designed the Key2 and didn’t have all the BB experience and/or wasn’t or doesn’t practice the same level of concern in their development and build.
I’m sure BBMo just has their own way of doing things. BB failed as OEM in the 10’s so I doubt TCL was really looking to copy BB methods or cared about BB advice since TCL was looking for better results.
Like BBAndroid wasn’t meant to replicate BB10 software, BBMo wasn’t attempting to replicate BB in hardware.Paulelmar18 likes this.11-01-19 06:49 PMLike 1 - Chuck, just so we are clear, I am not a PIE in the sky kind of guy expecting perfection in a devise, any devise. Having had most major BlackBerry devises I have givin a PASS many times! BBOS battery pulls, BBOS freezing, BB10 lack of apps, BB10 constant reboots, K1 glossy PKB, K1 inconsistent swiping especially with the center word prediction (a PASS as this was BBMo's fist attempt), K1 poor call reception, K2 constant 32 second reboots, K2 camera, K2 speaker and a few more PASSES that escape me now! What I will not and cannot give a PASS to is the PKB on a BBMo 2nd gen devise! It is the ONE BlackBerry thing left as Iconic! Hopefully, this clarifies my adamant position and conviction. Notice what I did with PIE? But I digress!
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