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That TCL "apps incident" made me start looking around and since there is no Key3 coming it was easy to decide not to "upgrade" to a Key2 from my Key1 as that would cost over $800 CAD.12-27-19 12:25 AMLike 4 - Ordered a Nokia 7.2 tonight. Average reviews from what I read but the price ($450 CAD) is easy to take given the 2 years of OS updates and 3 years of security updates running Android One. I'll probably be dead before the updates stop... :-).
That TCL "apps incident" made me start looking around and since there is no Key3 coming it was easy to decide not to "upgrade" to a Key2 from my Key1 as that would cost over $800 CAD.
Bigger screen and SD slot with the Nokia versus better camera with the Pixel.John Albert likes this.12-27-19 12:37 AMLike 1 -
If there are any North Americans eavesdropping on this, do not order the International Version (TA 1196). LTE band issues.Last edited by yamahammer; 12-27-19 at 01:19 AM.
12-27-19 12:42 AMLike 0 - Let's not pit people against each other here. I've been following this thread from the outset and I've seen valid points on both sides. @conite has made the legal claims loud and clear: TCL can push apps if it chooses to do so. BBL's power to punish TCL is minimal at best and no solution appears satisfactory or practical.
Others have shouted the ethical claim: considering the reputation of the Blackberry brand itself and the expectations its customers have had, TCL pushing Preview with the "apps" application was deliberate or negligent, but certainly did nothing to appease the Blackberry smartphone community and should be held accountable.
However, when you look at TCL's apparent abandonment of Blackberry, you see the power BBL doesn't have to compel them to get in line and the incentive to do so, weak.
The bottom line is that legally, TCL has done nothing wrong, but ethically, has done a questionable act that has upset us with good reason. Thus, our options come down to this: take appropriate measures to quarantine and limit the app's utility or abandon our devices immediately and replace them with an available alternative.
I contacted Blackberry Mobile support on Saturday and I was told that they will research it, but will not get back to me until the end of the week due to skeleton staffing over Christmas week. My hopes are not high for much of an explanation, but I will update you all here when I get a response.ppeters914 and Kitadashi like this.12-27-19 01:55 AMLike 2 -
Congrats on the purchase though, very happy with my Nokia 6 and Hub+ works great on stock.John Albert likes this.12-27-19 10:10 AMLike 1 - There's an unlocked variant sold officially in Canada and the US through stores like Best Buy which should support most bands. I can't find any info on the variant number though.
Congrats on the purchase though, very happy with my Nokia 6 and Hub+ works great on stock.
PS-Wait--maybe the poster wasn't talking about the KEY2. Lol. My bad, if that is the case. Who would have known in a KEY2 thread.12-27-19 11:02 AMLike 0 - Ordered a Nokia 7.2 tonight. Average reviews from what I read but the price ($450 CAD) is easy to take given the 2 years of OS updates and 3 years of security updates running Android One. I'll probably be dead before the updates stop... :-).
That TCL "apps incident" made me start looking around and since there is no Key3 coming it was easy to decide not to "upgrade" to a Key2 from my Key1 as that would cost over $800 CAD.elfabio80 likes this.12-28-19 07:01 AMLike 1 - Sad to see present day walter durantys trying to whitewash this. Key2 is as secure as any other Chinese C-grade phone, it just happens to use "hardened kernel" as its marketing B/S, instead of 4 SIM card tray, gazillion bad cameras or whatever else average Chinese sweatshop device has.12-28-19 07:13 AMLike 0
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Lenovo even bought mobile division from Google which bought from Motorola and continued to license Motorola brand. It’s the Lenovo deal with IBM licensing that originally caused all the spyware concern12-28-19 07:20 AMLike 0 - I’m not sure if that last statement is entirely accurate. The brand Nokia is licensed to HMD is a similar manner to BlackBerry licensing deal with TCL so I’m not really convinced after seeing the last ten years.
Lenovo even bought mobile division from Google which bought from Motorola and continued to license Motorola brand. It’s the Lenovo deal with IBM licensing that originally caused all the spyware concernJohn Albert and elfabio80 like this.12-28-19 07:47 AMLike 2 -
However, licensed brands means I’m not dealing with original company, so I’m still watching to see more development. All the previous licensing deals with their problems have slowed my Android purchasing for now.12-28-19 08:01 AMLike 0 - Correct from what I can find. I’m waiting to see what develops with AT&T here beyond prepaid hardware.
However, licensed brands means I’m not dealing with original company, so I’m still watching to see more development. All the previous licensing deals with their problems have slowed my Android purchasing for now.12-28-19 12:20 PMLike 0 - Correct from what I can find. I’m waiting to see what develops with AT&T here beyond prepaid hardware.
However, licensed brands means I’m not dealing with original company, so I’m still watching to see more development. All the previous licensing deals with their problems have slowed my Android purchasing for now.
So I landed upon the Nokia 7.2 as best suiting my wants and given that it is a fresh release I'll be getting security updates until Sept 2022 and Android 11 when that roles out in 2021.12-28-19 03:54 PMLike 4 - I narrowed my search to just phones that run AndroidOne and under $500 CAD. HMD phones (Nokia) are made in Taiwan, LG are made in Korea and Vietnam, OnePlus, Xioami and Moto are Chinese built. Forget the Pixel 3a, 64gb and no SD card slot.... might as well just buy a camera and use a flip phone!
So I landed upon the Nokia 7.2 as best suiting my wants and given that it is a fresh release I'll be getting security updates until Sept 2022 and Android 11 when that roles out in 2021.
Who let that maniac in here?!12-28-19 04:09 PMLike 0 - I narrowed my search to just phones that run AndroidOne and under $500 CAD. HMD phones (Nokia) are made in Taiwan, LG are made in Korea and Vietnam, OnePlus, Xioami and Moto are Chinese built. Forget the Pixel 3a, 64gb and no SD card slot.... might as well just buy a camera and use a flip phone!
So I landed upon the Nokia 7.2 as best suiting my wants and given that it is a fresh release I'll be getting security updates until Sept 2022 and Android 11 when that roles out in 2021.12-28-19 04:21 PMLike 0 -
- I’m not sure if that last statement is entirely accurate. The brand Nokia is licensed to HMD is a similar manner to BlackBerry licensing deal with TCL so I’m not really convinced after seeing the last ten years.
Lenovo even bought mobile division from Google which bought from Motorola and continued to license Motorola brand. It’s the Lenovo deal with IBM licensing that originally caused all the spyware concernJohn Albert likes this.12-28-19 05:02 PMLike 1 -
- In the Netherlands it is raising some eyebrows at Tweakers that this app (a downloadstore as it is called in the article) could be installed so easily without the DTEK app alarming the owner.
They state in the end that there still is no official statement from BlackBerry on the issue.
Ofcourse that is no opinion but it clearly seems like nudging to one that this is a negative signal.
https://tweakers.net/nieuws/161680/d...lackberry.html01-01-20 02:19 AMLike 0 - In the Netherlands it is raising some eyebrows at Tweakers that this app (a downloadstore as it is called in the article) could be installed so easily without the DTEK app alarming the owner.
They state in the end that there still is no official statement from BlackBerry on the issue.
Ofcourse that is no opinion but it clearly seems like nudging to one that this is a negative signal.
https://tweakers.net/nieuws/161680/d...lackberry.html01-03-20 10:43 AMLike 0 -
With both LG and Moto fading, VZW probable sees that they need something else.... So I expect they are seeing what Alcatel and HMD can offer them. While I think offering a 7.2 or a 9 Pure View would be great, I'm not sure they need devices in those price ranges...or that either company can pay to play like Google, Samsung and Apple can.
Will be interesting to see what comes of the rumors of OnePlus and Verizon this year...
But then again I'm not really interested in leaving iOS at this point.01-03-20 11:01 AMLike 0 - In the Netherlands it is raising some eyebrows at Tweakers that this app (a downloadstore as it is called in the article) could be installed so easily without the DTEK app alarming the owner.
They state in the end that there still is no official statement from BlackBerry on the issue.
Ofcourse that is no opinion but it clearly seems like nudging to one that this is a negative signal.
https://tweakers.net/nieuws/161680/d...lackberry.html01-04-20 12:58 PMLike 0 -
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