Should I buy a 2nd handset now, to start using after EU's EOL?
- I plan to use my classic until it stops working. If I setup my brand new Key2 now, then keep it off to start using officially until 2021 (after os updates have stopped), I'm guessing that the os/apps/email will still function (but just not update) until the handset dies (2yrs: 2023).
I like this phone. If I buy another key2 now, set it up now but then start using in 2023, the os/apps/email will no longer update, but will still function until handset dies (2yrs:2025), right?06-16-20 09:16 PMLike 0 - I plan to use my classic until it stops working. If I setup my brand new Key2 now, then keep it off to start using officially until 2021 (after os updates have stopped), I'm guessing that the os/apps/email will still function (but just not update) until the handset dies (2yrs: 2023).
I like this phone. If I buy another key2 now, set it up now but then start using in 2023, the os/apps/email will no longer update, but will still function until handset dies (2yrs:2025), right?
BTW you can check this video on a KEY2 in 2020
06-17-20 02:50 AMLike 0 -
So is os expiration a real problem for the way I want to use it?06-17-20 06:15 AMLike 0 -
Do you foresee any drawbacks (other than no updates) to using key2 for 5 yrs past expiration?06-17-20 06:18 AMLike 0 -
My KEY2 Red Edition working in 2025? Hmmm If Android support is there why not.06-17-20 06:39 AMLike 0 -
- The benefit is that I get to use my beloved Q20 longer and then move onto key2 when I'm ready. I just want to know whether os expiration means no more updates or no more functionality (does software stop working the way it was before expiration or become unstable?). Because if like the software works, but doesn't break, then I can buy 2 key2 handsets and have a phone I like until they break down. So I'd buy now but start using in 2021, and hope each handset lasts 2 yrs+ so I can enjoy a reliable pkb until 2025.
So is os expiration a real problem for the way I want to use it?
Android/iOS, because of their active ecosystem development, will be somewhere between painful to impossible to use in five years let alone past that mark.
Android/iOS, especially Android isn’t really designed to be used 4-5 years after introduction at the ecosystem level. The same problems with older ART versions still happens with apps due to same BB10 reasons. Security requirements and upgraded features are more pronounced.
I went the iOS route simply because at 2-3 year mark, I have better expectations compared with Android hardware. But, I paid around $80 USD for a new V30 that upgraded from Nougat to Oreo to Pie as soon as I got it. So for me, it will survive as daily backup for year maybe.
My AT&T KEYone was already getting retired for 3/32 performance issues. The Motion is 4/32 and BE KEYone is 4/64 and both are great but stuck on 2017 Oreo which is great for CrackBerry and general tasks not requiring my personal or client data as rule of thumb.
The best comparison for usability of Android in years 7-8, would be to find a mid spec device from 2013 that rolled out with Android 4.4 KitKat and see how it performed in 2019-2020 or so.
Here’s a good reference point, the Moto G
in this historical Android Central article
https://www.androidcentral.com/moto-g-specs06-17-20 07:11 AMLike 0 - The benefit is that I get to use my beloved Q20 longer and then move onto key2 when I'm ready. I just want to know whether os expiration means no more updates or no more functionality (does software stop working the way it was before expiration or become unstable?). Because if like the software works, but doesn't break, then I can buy 2 key2 handsets and have a phone I like until they break down. So I'd buy now but start using in 2021, and hope each handset lasts 2 yrs+ so I can enjoy a reliable pkb until 2025.
So is os expiration a real problem for the way I want to use it?
But Android like any OS is a target for hackers, it very important for users to be running a fully patched OS. Every month that goes by without patches is another list of vulnerabilities that your phone will have. I doubt a work account would allow you to connect at that point. But if just personal you'll be able to use it, if you choose to do so. Kinda like using Windows XP today on a machine that always connected to the internet and hold all your personal info... some will risk it.
Of course Google could switch to Fuchsia next year or two, and that would quickly change things.... Or someone else might offer up a PKB handset that's even better than the KEY2.... Or the inoculation for COVID might mutate the virus and turn us all into zombie vampires (that don't use smartphones).mikael11 likes this.06-17-20 07:24 AMLike 1 - To clarify, I want to use this as my personal phone: trackpad (app), reachability, Hub, amazon, docs, alarms, weather, browse safe sites, Google Maps, cloud backup&restore, some youtube, whatsapp, calendar, onenote, email/sms/calls, music. Shazam,
Maybe facebook, signal/secure chat.
Am I likely to face these apps breaking 4 after OS is unsupported?06-17-20 10:45 AMLike 0 - To clarify, I want to use this as my personal phone: trackpad (app), reachability, Hub, amazon, docs, alarms, weather, browse safe sites, Google Maps, some youtube, whatsapp, calendar, onenote, email/sms/calls, music. Shazam,
Maybe facebook, signal/secure chat.
Am I likely to face these apps breaking 4 after OS is unsupported?
Just like BB10, nobody really knows how long supported after EOL or the actual usability. Of course BB10 relies on ART 4.3 which is like Google Jellybean running on straight Android hardware for instance. How usable, is up to individual.06-17-20 10:52 AMLike 0 - To get some clarification, google search each app for it’s minimum requirements. See what year each ART is from and that will give you and idea how long most current app version is supported by developers.
Just like BB10, nobody really knows how long supported after EOL or the actual usability. Of course BB10 relies on ART 4.3 which is like Google Jellybean running on straight Android hardware for instance. How usable, is up to individual.06-17-20 10:56 AMLike 0 - What is ART? i can't find it on for example https://www.shazam.com/gb/terms06-17-20 11:05 AMLike 0
- What is ART? i can't find it on for example https://www.shazam.com/gb/terms
Android 10 was introduced 2019 calendar year and what’s found on flagships now. Soon Android 11 will be officially introduced for 2020 calendar year.
The ART 4.3 that allows BB10 hardware to run apps from Android is from 2012-2013 period so that’s why so many apps no longer run on BB10 hardware and haven’t for years.
Get your Key2 but use it while it’s truly enjoyable. You’d be really upset if you opened a Key2 in 2021 or so and it was really sluggish.
If you don’t need the apps, I don’t really see paying extra money on the overpriced hardware now. You could probably stick with Classics by the dozen with similar results.johnb_xp likes this.06-17-20 11:52 AMLike 1 - Go to for example
Androidapksfree.com search for Shazam and you can see the versions avaiable and which min Android you need to install and use.
For example in this case latest version is for Android 6 (ART 6) which is on PRIV. So Shazam will work on my 5yr old PRIV!!
With my KEY2 with Android 8.1 re Oreo I feel totally confident next 2 years will be fine. The market share of ART worldwide is interesting for example in India 8.1 Oreo is the second most installed OS!
So yes to each his own.
See in
gs.statscounter.com/android-version-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide
You can select regions and get some interesting facts.hmp3 likes this.06-17-20 12:23 PMLike 1 - Go to for example
Androidapksfree.com search for Shazam and you can see the versions avaiable and which min Android you need to install and use.
For example in this case latest version is for Android 6 (ART 6) which is on PRIV. So Shazam will work on my 5yr old PRIV!!
With my KEY2 with Android 8.1 re Oreo I feel totally confident next 2 years will be fine. The market share of ART worldwide is interesting for example in India 8.1 Oreo is the second most installed OS!
So yes to each his own.
See in
gs.statscounter.com/android-version-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide
You can select regions and get some interesting facts.Rico4you likes this.06-17-20 12:38 PMLike 1 - I plan to use my classic until it stops working. If I setup my brand new Key2 now, then keep it off to start using officially until 2021 (after os updates have stopped), I'm guessing that the os/apps/email will still function (but just not update) until the handset dies (2yrs: 2023).
I like this phone. If I buy another key2 now, set it up now but then start using in 2023, the os/apps/email will no longer update, but will still function until handset dies (2yrs:2025), right?
To answer your question - no. I don't see any logic in buying a second K2 at full price just to keep it on a shelf for three years. If someone offered you a Priv for $500 today would you think that is a good deal?06-17-20 12:52 PMLike 0 - To clarify, I want to use this as my personal phone: trackpad (app), reachability, Hub, amazon, docs, alarms, weather, browse safe sites, Google Maps, cloud backup&restore, some youtube, whatsapp, calendar, onenote, email/sms/calls, music. Shazam,
Maybe facebook, signal/secure chat.
Am I likely to face these apps breaking 4 after OS is unsupported?
That said, Android is very different today than it was five years ago. Looking at past support windows, might not work going forward. A device five years ago got one upgrade at best and patches were unheard of - which is why BlackBerry made a big deal about it. The Android's userbase tended to be very fractured with the vast majority on very old versions.
Every year Google makes improvement to how devices get update, and the market has demanded OEMs to provide longer support cycles. Android 8 never reached more than a 20% marketshare.... Android 9 peaked at almost 40%, and Android 10 already at 20% and still climbing.
My guess is in the coming years the gap for Android users on the "current" OS will continue to close... and the need to allow support for four or five year old versions of Android will decline even more.
It's your choice... but buying two year old middle grade hardware now in the hopes it will be functional in five years.... ?06-17-20 01:14 PMLike 0 - Go to for example
Androidapksfree.com search for Shazam and you can see the versions avaiable and which min Android you need to install and use.
For example in this case latest version is for Android 6 (ART 6) which is on PRIV. So Shazam will work on my 5yr old PRIV!!
With my KEY2 with Android 8.1 re Oreo I feel totally confident next 2 years will be fine. The market share of ART worldwide is interesting for example in India 8.1 Oreo is the second most installed OS!
So yes to each his own.
See in
gs.statscounter.com/android-version-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide
You can select regions and get some interesting facts.Rico4you likes this.06-17-20 02:02 PMLike 1 -
Like yourself I run APK's on my Z10 and Passport SE and pushing along! While my PRIV on Android 6.0 also alive n kicking!
Now with my KEYone and KEY2 both on Android 8.1 I have no worries for a long time.
KEY2 for me is the best PKB device bar none on the market right now and for me PKB is a priority.06-18-20 03:55 AMLike 0
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