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  1. Bbnivende's Avatar
    I don’t think Prem would have let his investment falter.

    Going software only was the best route to be honest

    It was just a shame that BB10 had so much of the “TAT factor” removed as it got older and more mature

    There was so much going for it, but the promised hardware didn’t materialise and didn’t have the budget to fight the competition
    So far BlackBerry has been very good for John Chen ... perhaps not for the investors.
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    02-16-20 01:12 PM
  2. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    So far BlackBerry has been very good for John Chen ... perhaps not for the investors.
    Well History has rescuing Sybase and selling to SAP. Who would want to purchase BlackBerry now? Gartner think MobileIron is the most secure MDM platform - I beg to differ. VMWare have a very strong product with Workspace ONE and Samsung’s KNOX portfolio has the device security, and Apple have made leaps and bounds with their Enterprise offering.

    UEM (BES 12) will only be as good as the software as BlackBerry no longer control the hardware.

    But it just seems so slow. You hear about Cylance and the GPS tracked containers (nothing new there)

    They owned the Automotive infotainment sector, Fleet managers etc could have used this.

    It’s such a tragic shame that they seem to have no clue how to market themselves. Everyone thinks BlackBerry was either finished or close to and irrelevant. There are a lot of skilled technical people there but the marketing and management seems to be clueless.

    Probably burned my bridges ever getting a job back there.. but then again they may remember I had a PGP support email thread copied and pasted into this forum - probably not for the right people mind
    Bbnivende and moosbb like this.
    02-16-20 01:41 PM
  3. conite's Avatar
    Well History has rescuing Sybase and selling to SAP. Who would want to purchase BlackBerry now? Gartner think MobileIron is the most secure MDM platform - I beg to differ. VMWare have a very strong product with Workspace ONE and Samsung’s KNOX portfolio has the device security, and Apple have made leaps and bounds with their Enterprise offering.

    UEM (BES 12) will only be as good as the software as BlackBerry no longer control the hardware.

    But it just seems so slow. You hear about Cylance and the GPS tracked containers (nothing new there)

    They owned the Automotive infotainment sector, Fleet managers etc could have used this.

    It’s such a tragic shame that they seem to have no clue how to market themselves. Everyone thinks BlackBerry was either finished or close to and irrelevant. There are a lot of skilled technical people there but the marketing and management seems to be clueless.

    Probably burned my bridges ever getting a job back there.. but then again they may remember I had a PGP support email thread copied and pasted into this forum - probably not for the right people mind
    https://ca-finance-yahoo-com.cdn.amp...220013678.html
    Last edited by conite; 02-16-20 at 05:30 PM.
    02-16-20 02:21 PM
  4. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Appropriate name for a stock blog.
    02-16-20 02:29 PM
  5. eshropshire's Avatar
    What if it was BlackBerry and not TCL who brought the partnership to an end? What if BlackBerry notified TCL soon after the conversation below that BlackBerry intended to start making its own phones again? What if that is why the Key2 never got the big update? Could it be that th writing has been on the wall for outsourcing since: https://www.crackberry.com/will-blac...wn-smartphones
    If yes? What will that mean for us? Will BlackBerry build phones only for enterprise customers or for regular Joes too?
    I think the TCL statement can be read two or more ways. One TCL has decided to move on from BlackBerry. Two BBL is tired of doing any more Android OS for so little return and decided to end the agreement. Considering BBM's statement did not thank or mention BBL this maybe a possiblity. Could be a combination of factors. TCL probably decided to move on over a year ago and was content to let the agreement finish naturally.

    BTW would be easy to tell if BlackBerry was getting back in the phone business. These forums would be covered with all the BBL job postings for mobile engineers and product people. Even if BBL was outsourcing the work they would be hiring 25-75 employees at a minimum.
    Dunt Dunt Dunt likes this.
    02-16-20 05:15 PM
  6. eshropshire's Avatar
    Both LG and HTC have expertise in burning a lot of money in mobile to no impact so they have that covered already.
    We that would make them both highly qualified to carry on the BlackBerry tradition.
    02-16-20 05:21 PM
  7. conite's Avatar
    Considering BBM's statement did not thank or mention BBL this maybe a possiblity.
    "The support of BlackBerry Limited was an essential element to bringing devices like BlackBerry KEYone, Motion, KEY2 and KEY2 LE to life and we're proud to have partnered with them these past few years on those projects."
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    02-16-20 05:23 PM
  8. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    Not really BackBerry but QNX which has been in the Automotive business long before BlackBerry tried to cripple them
    02-16-20 05:24 PM
  9. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    We that would make them both highly qualified to carry on the BlackBerry tradition.
    Or not make that same mistake.

    Unless you are Apple, there is no money (profit) really in Smartphones
    02-16-20 05:26 PM
  10. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    My Pixel 3 was better than the TCL devices and it was crap. Screen broke just leaving it on a desk

    Screen fell out of a Key One. Brings back memories of the 9320 Curve (cigarette packet to hold the battery in) dodgy lighting affecting the optical track pad?
    02-16-20 05:30 PM
  11. eshropshire's Avatar
    still no communication neither from BlackBerry Board nor a Twitte from JC
    Wait for the next update on Cylance or one of the other BBL enterprise software products. Otherwise I don't know what else they have to say.
    02-16-20 05:36 PM
  12. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    Wait for the next update on Cylance or one of the other BBL enterprise software products. Otherwise I don't know what else they have to say.
    They will be able to find the container of the past TCL devices shipped
    02-16-20 05:38 PM
  13. eshropshire's Avatar
    "The support of BlackBerry Limited was an essential element to bringing devices like BlackBerry KEYone, Motion, KEY2 and KEY2 LE to life and we're proud to have partnered with them these past few years on those projects."
    In their statement TCL went out of their way to thank many groups. BBL was not one in that list. I did not say they did not mention them. I said they did not thank them. I have written and been involved in many statements like this over the years. They are very carefully crafted and reviewed. In my opinion the TCL was clearly saying there was no love lost in the end between TCL and BBL. Pretty sure TCL is happy to no longer be involved with BBL.
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    02-16-20 05:52 PM
  14. i_plod_an_dr_void's Avatar
    In their statement TCL went out of their way to thank many groups. BBL was not one in that list. I did not say they did not mention them. I said they did not thank them. I have written and been involved in many statements like this over the years. They are very carefully crafted and reviewed. In my opinion the TCL was clearly saying there was no love lost in the end between TCL and BBL. Pretty sure TCL is happy to no longer be involved with BBL.
    ....so were they caught trying to steal BB's underlying technology already, or did they steal it? Asking for a friend.
    02-17-20 05:31 PM
  15. eshropshire's Avatar
    ....so were they caught trying to steal BB's underlying technology already, or did they steal it? Asking for a friend.
    No, just not paying their bill, just like Optimus in India. BBL did not want to renegotiate the terms. Bitterness builds up and I am sure TCL is fine with ending the deal early. BBM is only a shell company today. Look at the LinkedIn profiles of the former BBM leaders. They all moved on almost a year ago.
    02-17-20 08:54 PM
  16. chain13's Avatar
    Or not make that same mistake.

    Unless you are Apple, there is no money (profit) really in Smartphones
    Even they realize that not everybody upgrade their iphone every year and shifting into selling services/subscription instead.
    02-19-20 06:35 AM
  17. danfrancisco's Avatar
    I don't nitpick minutia. I can only be thankful that TCL came along, extended the life of the brand a few years, and delivered 4 quality devices that were well-supported.

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    100% this! In the alternate timeline, BBMo doesn't exist and the last BlackBerry ever released isn't the red KEY2 but is instead the critically acclaimed and quintessential BlackBerry... DTEK60.
    Trouveur likes this.
    02-19-20 07:37 AM
  18. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    100% this! In the alternate timeline, BBMo doesn't exist and the last BlackBerry ever released isn't the red KEY2 but is instead the critically acclaimed and quintessential BlackBerry... DTEK60.
    +1

    I have nothing negative to say about my KEYone other than the fact that it runs Android. If BlackBerry Mobile had established itself as a profitable business with 5%+ market share in the $450+ Android market, I think we would have seen some great devices.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    02-19-20 07:43 AM
  19. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    +1

    I have nothing negative to say about my KEYone other than the fact that it runs Android. If BlackBerry Mobile had established itself as a profitable business with 5%+ market share in the $450+ Android market, I think we would have seen some great devices.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    5% would have given them 78 Million phones sold last year...
    or 5% of the overall market would be a userbase of 175 million...

    Yeah either would have ensured BBMo would exist going forward..... or BlackBerry would drop TCL and get back into smartphones themselves.
    02-19-20 09:05 AM
  20. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    5% would have given them 78 Million phones sold last year...
    or 5% of the overall market would be a userbase of 175 million...

    Yeah either would have ensured BBMo would exist going forward..... or BlackBerry would drop TCL and get back into smartphones themselves.
    I said 5% of the $450+ segment for Android. That's not 78M last year!

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    02-19-20 10:46 AM
  21. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    5% would have given them 78 Million phones sold last year...
    or 5% of the overall market would be a userbase of 175 million...

    Yeah either would have ensured BBMo would exist going forward..... or BlackBerry would drop TCL and get back into smartphones themselves.
    What’s the question again?
    02-19-20 06:03 PM
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