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  1. anon(10562251)'s Avatar
    It's not occurring when swiping, it's occurring while I'm typing a text, just happened while I was typing this text.

    Used to be pervasive for me, seemed have been fixed somewhere around the new year. Now it's coming back for me with a vengeance.

    Maybe I'm holding the phone wrong again
    I can consistently replicate this when I drag my finger downward in a swiping gesture and lift it on the bottom row of keys. That should NOT happen.
    05-14-19 08:23 PM
  2. Wrec's Avatar
    I can consistently replicate this when I drag my finger downward in a swiping gesture and lift it on the bottom row of keys. That should NOT happen.
    Hmmm, a swipe down is meant to invoke the symbol screen, isn't it? Or am I misunderstanding?
    05-14-19 08:58 PM
  3. Crusader03's Avatar
    Hmmm, a swipe down is meant to invoke the symbol screen, isn't it? Or am I misunderstanding?
    Swipe down brings up the SYM VKB. I too sometimes get the Sym when typing and at times have a symbol inserted directly from a key press. Should not happen. Has gotten much better, however, still a little ways to go.
    05-14-19 10:07 PM
  4. Wrec's Avatar
    Swipe down brings up the SYM VKB. I too sometimes get the Sym when typing and at times have a symbol inserted directly from a key press. Should not happen. Has gotten much better, however, still a little ways to go.
    The symbol screen and cursor issues have been much better for me too until the last few days. Now, and for me, the symbol screen has become a problem again, but not so the cursor issue.
    05-14-19 10:41 PM
  5. Crusader03's Avatar
    The symbol screen and cursor issues have been much better for me too until the last few days. Now, and for me, the symbol screen has become a problem again, but not so the cursor issue.
    Same. Hopefully a fix is on the way. They are working on it! Cheers,
    05-14-19 10:43 PM
  6. gloommerchant's Avatar
    I can consistently replicate this when I drag my finger downward in a swiping gesture and lift it on the bottom row of keys. That should NOT happen.
    Isn't that exactly what SHOULD happen, considering a swipe down is the shortcut to actually bring up the symbol keyboard? Are you saying you wish this shortcut didn't exist, or are you unaware of it? I think it's pretty convenient and find myself swiping to the sym vkb quite often on purpose.
    05-14-19 10:44 PM
  7. anon(10562251)'s Avatar
    Isn't that exactly what SHOULD happen, considering a swipe down is the shortcut to actually bring up the symbol keyboard? Are you saying you wish this shortcut didn't exist, or are you unaware of it? I think it's pretty convenient and find myself swiping to the sym vkb quite often on purpose.
    I'm saying two things - one, it is annoying because it gets triggered too often and too easily, and secondly, why do we need to trigger it with a gesture when there is already a button for it? This makes absolutely no sense to me. I admit, I have been away from the pkb for a while so perhaps I forgot about this "feature". I don't see any purpose for a swipe down gesture. It's extraneous.

    I also find it wasteful having to press the sym button twice to cancel out of the vkb; I would prefer once in, once out, and select the toggle to the second sym on the screen only, if required.
    05-14-19 10:52 PM
  8. gloommerchant's Avatar
    I'm saying two things - one, it is annoying because it gets triggered too often and too easily, and secondly, why do we need to trigger it with a gesture when there is already a button for it? This makes absolutely no sense to me. I admit, I have been away from the pkb for a while so perhaps I forgot about this "feature". I don't see any purpose for a swipe down gesture. It's extraneous.

    I also find it wasteful having to press the sym button twice to cancel out of the vkb; I would prefer once in, once out, and select the toggle to the second sym on the screen only, if required.
    A gesture for a button that already exists, while redundant, is still convenient. It's the same reason one can choose to scroll by touching the screen or scrolling with the keyboard. I like having more than one way to do things. Although I agree that it's irritating when the symbol screen pops up inadvertently. For what it's worth (when this feature works correctly most of the time) it's super convenient to swipe down once, press the physical key that corresponds to the on screen symbol I want, and then it closes itself. Super fast and convenient once you memorize the physical keys for your most used symbols.
    05-14-19 11:14 PM
  9. Crusader03's Avatar
    A gesture for a button that already exists, while redundant, is still convenient. It's the same reason one can choose to scroll by touching the screen or scrolling with the keyboard. I like having more than one way to do things. Although I agree that it's irritating when the symbol screen pops up inadvertently. For what it's worth (when this feature works correctly most of the time) it's super convenient to swipe down once, press the physical key that corresponds to the on screen symbol I want, and then it closes itself. Super fast and convenient once you memorize the physical keys for your most used symbols.
    It is not at all convenient when you have a highly effected PKB that is Hyper sensitive and is constantly triggering the SYM VKB mid stride while typing. Your unit may be less sensitive than ours, however if the fix entails disabling down swipe for SYM VKB then the Key press for it would do just fine. Redundancy is a luxury, not a necessity!
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    05-15-19 12:01 AM
  10. anon(10562251)'s Avatar
    it's super convenient to swipe down , press the physical key that corresponds to the on screen symbol I want, and then it closes itself.
    This I could see this as a reason to keep an extra press for the sym key - to toggle to the second page of sym characters. Which works great when in the middle of typing and you're actually intending to use it...not so great when the menu pops up by accident. I still can't see having to toggle to the second page of the sym menu being used often enough to necessitate it. I would rather see a second press cancel out of the menu. Personal preference, perhaps.

    And none of the above justifies the extraneous downswipe to sym menu - that spends most of its time cluttering my workspace with an already rarely used menu, IMHO.
    Last edited by dendron01; 05-15-19 at 09:31 AM.
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    05-15-19 07:22 AM
  11. Thinkbusiness's Avatar
    As long as a feature causes productivity issues and frustration because it's not working flawlessly or because for certain typing styles it just creates unwanted behavior.

    We should always factor in that different people have different ways of interaction on a PKB.

    Furthermore there is a perfect solution on the PKB itself. I believe it's actually a wise decision to remove the feature until the issue is resolved entirely.

    The best solution in my opinion would be to let the user make the decision by providing an option to switch on or off this functionality in the settings of the BlackBerry keyboard app.

    Since there is a perfect and fast way to voluntarily access the SYM screen I see no added value to keep the gesture based method in unless there is a way to turn it on/off in the settings.
    TheBond and Crusader03 like this.
    05-17-19 02:39 AM
  12. TheBond's Avatar
    As long as a feature causes productivity issues and frustration because it's not working flawlessly or because for certain typing styles it just creates unwanted behavior.

    We should always factor in that different people have different ways of interaction on a PKB.

    Furthermore there is a perfect solution on the PKB itself. I believe it's actually a wise decision to remove the feature until the issue is resolved entirely.

    The best solution in my opinion would be to let the user make the decision by providing an option to switch on or off this functionality in the settings of the BlackBerry keyboard app.

    Since there is a perfect and fast way to voluntarily access the SYM screen I see no added value to keep the gesture based method in unless there is a way to turn it on/off in the settings.
    Been saying that for ages. My understanding was that this was not possible. Giving us option to allow certain aspects of keyboard swiping would be the easiest way to solve this issue altogether.
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    05-17-19 03:27 PM
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