How many KEYones have they sold? And how many KEY2s do they expect to sell?
- Carrying inventory cost and low sales potential compared with others devices. Adding to problem is that BBMo/TCL doesn’t have the resources to pay amounts to knock another OEM from the shelf and get premium spacing location as well. That’s expensive for the amount of carrier locations.07-30-18 07:02 AMLike 0
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I07-30-18 07:06 AMLike 0 - Carrying inventory cost and low sales potential compared with others devices. Adding to problem is that BBMo/TCL doesn’t have the resources to pay amounts to knock another OEM from the shelf and get premium spacing location as well. That’s expensive for the amount of carrier locations.07-30-18 06:23 PMLike 0
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BlackBerry isn't a new brand, PKBs aren't a new form factor. Carriers know how these sold in the past, and they know how they are selling today. My Carrier Verizon knows how many unlocked KEYones were activated on their network...
It's not a matter of seeing if there is any demand...07-31-18 07:08 AMLike 0 - I suspect that the return rate was higher than normal for the Keyone which was similar to the PRIV. On the all touch side, TCL needs to replicate their successful TV strategy. One notch below flagship but at a competitive price.ppeters914 likes this.07-31-18 09:08 AMLike 1
- They have "trialed it"...
BlackBerry isn't a new brand, PKBs aren't a new form factor. Carriers know how these sold in the past, and they know how they are selling today. My Carrier Verizon knows how many unlocked KEYones were activated on their network...
It's not a matter of seeing if there is any demand...07-31-18 09:34 AMLike 0 - Pretty clear that competitive price just ins't possible with the licensing deal... we will see when Optimeus launches their new phones if that is the case... and we we see what their update process is (smart move might be to drop the updates in favor of lower prices in "that" market)07-31-18 09:37 AMLike 0
- If you are correct then TCL is clueless about the mobile market and BlackBerry as well . OEMs are expected to provide security updates and a current OS. The only portion of the BlackBerry fee that might be considered to be direct cost of manufacturing is the kernel.
BBmo and BlackBerry need to work together to come up with a branding strategy that is suitable for the USA all touch market.Last edited by Bbnivende; 07-31-18 at 10:18 AM.
07-31-18 09:46 AMLike 0 - The Priv was such a flop - low sales plus high returns - that the carriers are rightly skeptical of the brand. Over the next couple of years they may take another attempt at selling BlackBerrys in stores if and only if they see a growing demand for them and are confident that TCL is in it for the long-term.07-31-18 10:10 AMLike 0
- Pretty clear that competitive price just ins't possible with the licensing deal... we will see when Optimeus launches their new phones if that is the case... and we we see what their update process is (smart move might be to drop the updates in favor of lower prices in "that" market)07-31-18 10:11 AMLike 0
- If you are correct then TCL is clueless about the mobile market and BlackBerry as well . OEMs are expected to provide security updates and a current OS. The only portion of the BlackBerry fee that might be considered to be direct cost of manufacturing is the kernel.
BBmo and BlackBerry need to work together to come up with a branding strategy that is suitable for the USA all touch market.
OS tweaks to provided Android Secure
Updates - monthly and patches (clearly that isn't include in the initial OS)
Cost of doing business in different markets.
It is what it is... pretty clear based on the pattern of four devices that we have seen come out of the BlackBerry licensing deal that it is a very costly process.
We will soon see with the two Optiemus phones and the KEY2 LE if the trend continues. The one thing with the Optiemus phones is if they don't include the updates as BB Merah Putih didn't. For a low volume product from an OEM (or just a distributor in Optiemus case) that could be a significant cost... to set up and maintain.
Anyway... there is no reason for BlackBerry to cut their fees and no reason for an OEM to bother if they can't make the profit they want.07-31-18 11:27 AMLike 0 - Carriers will offer it if it would sell in quantities that move the needle. The problem is for it to get to that point, there's a lot of prep work to do.
($) - hardware and software needs to be certified and tested. customers expect new devices to "just work." here on crackberry, we're a little more hands-on / tech-savvy than most customers.
($) - cost of distribution for every BlackBerry that gets shipped to a store, that's a Pixel, Samsung, LG, Apple product that doesn't make it into the shipment. no one wants a stocking problem for devices most customers want.
($) - biller configuration, table changes, whitelisting and cost of supporting the device from the carrier network side.
($) - develop marketing materials.
($) - develop support website for device.
($) - tech support training.
($) - let's not forget the cost of buying inventory and hoping you sell it. Let's be honest, TCL is not necessarily in a position to offer concessions.
Long story short: going into carrier inventory is not easy. it's not like a best buy/electronics store, where as soon as the initial warranty is up, service and support is someone else's problem.07-31-18 02:29 PMLike 0 - AT&T one year anniversary is Labor Day weekend. It was announced 90 days after initial release and sold by AT&T 30 days later. I would expect Key2 for sale by AT&T November 1 if ever carried... it's possible Key2 LE instead of Key2 also...07-31-18 09:55 PMLike 0
- Not if the decision was made not too. KEY2 is a different device, there will be cost associated with "marketing" (for KEYone that was just web cost), support, and inventory.
Still would not be surprised if AT&T adds it latter.... or skips it and adds the KEY2 LE whenever it gets launched or a few months later. I assume based on what BBMo said that their is "some" interest in BBMo offerings, and if that's the case it should be enough to keep AT&T on board with a web only option.08-01-18 07:30 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB10 / AT&T /Z10 STL100-3 /10.3.3.321608-01-18 02:08 PMLike 0 - I was going to buy one but then chickened out because of the price, but im definitely tempted to buy one soon or later
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- Not important in Canada? I'm in Canada. And when I'm working in my basement home office where my cell reception isn't great, the WiFi calling kicks in and I have no problems making calls. Or at work where some areas of the building have cell dead zones.08-17-18 11:14 AMLike 0
- Thanks I was not aware of that. My WIFI us good and I seldom get calls since I am not working in the basement etc.08-17-18 01:02 PMLike 0
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