- No OEM should develop an annual mobile phone any longer. It's simply not necessary and without BOGO or trade ins nobody or very few would upgrade. The numbers and data across all OEM's validate people's trends. The iPhone 11 will sell even fewer devices than the XR, XS, XS Max, Note 9 users have Micro SD and a phone jack and still exceptional performance that the 10 is not really a significant upgrade. Just like the S10 was not much over the S9 etc. You get my point. And although I don't own a Key 2 my BE Key One works exceptional and I bought mine reasonably 10 months after release. The Pixel 3a and 3a XL are game changers for the entire all touch device manufacturers moving forward. Use one and you will know. No longer is it necessary for ANY average user to pay flagship prices.anon(8004005) likes this.08-17-19 11:33 AMLike 1
- No OEM should develop an annual mobile phone any longer. It's simply not necessary and without BOGO or trade ins nobody or very few would upgrade. The numbers and data across all OEM's validate people's trends. The iPhone 11 will sell even fewer devices than the XR, XS, XS Max, Note 9 users have Micro SD and a phone jack and still exceptional performance that the 10 is not really a significant upgrade. Just like the S10 was not much over the S9 etc. You get my point. And although I don't own a Key 2 my BE Key One works exceptional and I bought mine reasonably 10 months after release. The Pixel 3a and 3a XL are game changers for the entire all touch device manufacturers moving forward. Use one and you will know. No longer is it necessary for ANY average user to pay flagship prices.08-17-19 11:35 AMLike 0
- That's diminishing as well. Again take out BOGO or trade ins (and even with them) the numbers for annual sales are decreasing. USA Today ran a recent poll and the average user has ZERO appetite for 1000 dollar phones. Most are realizing that even on payments the devices cost too much. Its been the biggest scam ran. How much is '75 in flat panel OLED TV today vs the past? How much is a top flight laptop today vs the past? Hopefully you get my point. Also all one has to do is wait 4-6 months after release of new and get "new" device (because now it's "old" (absurd) for a fraction of initial cost.08-17-19 11:47 AMLike 0
- That's diminishing as well. Again take out BOGO or trade ins (and even with them) the numbers for annual sales are decreasing. USA Today ran a recent poll and the average user has ZERO appetite for 1000 dollar phones. Most are realizing that even on payments the devices cost too much. Its been the biggest scam ran. How much is '75 in flat panel OLED TV today vs the past? How much is a top flight laptop today vs the past? Hopefully you get my point. Also all one has to do is wait 4-6 months after release of new and get "new" device (because now it's "old" (absurd) for a fraction of initial cost.
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 11:50 AMLike 0 -
- I think we'll see pricing analogous to cars, with a number of luxury brands and a ton of mid and low-priced cars by volume. There will always be room for a number of luxury products because they offer high margins, but they are a small percentage of sales by volume.
Posted with my trusty Z10Jake2826 likes this.08-17-19 12:03 PMLike 1 -
The question is whether the public would accept it, or if they'd keep chasing the newest shiny object. OEMs won't want to risk their market share to move to a better manufacturing and support model.
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 12:14 PMLike 0 - That's diminishing as well. Again take out BOGO or trade ins (and even with them) the numbers for annual sales are decreasing. USA Today ran a recent poll and the average user has ZERO appetite for 1000 dollar phones. Most are realizing that even on payments the devices cost too much. Its been the biggest scam ran. How much is '75 in flat panel OLED TV today vs the past? How much is a top flight laptop today vs the past? Hopefully you get my point. Also all one has to do is wait 4-6 months after release of new and get "new" device (because now it's "old" (absurd) for a fraction of initial cost.
Samsung, for instance, shouldn't have an annual refresh because they will sell less than they used to?
It's not like they only sell flagships btw, you can buy a brand new and highly-capable A50 for $299, or the entry-level A2 for $109.
They'll continue to do what they do until it's not profitable - notwithstanding the survey you mention.08-17-19 12:18 PMLike 0 - I'm not sure what you're arguing.
Samsung, for instance, shouldn't have an annual refresh because they will sell less than they used to?
It's not like they only sell flagships btw, you can buy a brand new and highly-capable A50 for $299, or the entry-level A2 for $109.
They'll continue to do what they do until it's not profitable - notwithstanding the survey you mention.08-17-19 02:59 PMLike 0 - Yes, I believe Samsung, Apple, BlackBerry Mobile could and should sell the same device over say a 24 month period. People will still buy the S10 when the S11 is released and people will still buy last year's Apple offerings when the new ridiculously priced new models drop at a fraction of the price of the equivalent or a new mid range. This will drive mid range prices down further. I'll bet anything Samsung will offer me the equivalent of half the value of my S9 when new to "upgrade" to S11. Take those trade in offers and or BOGO away and sales of new annual flagship devices drop like a stone.
Samsung will do whatever their market data tells them to. And right now, it is to continue to refresh their lineup every year.Last edited by conite; 08-17-19 at 03:35 PM.
08-17-19 03:06 PMLike 0 -
But, as I said, 1/3 of any OEM's user base is ready to upgrade in any given year (that means they've had their existing device for 3 years already).08-17-19 03:53 PMLike 0 -
My KEYone is two years old, and I can't imagine upgrading it unless there's a major security issue. It's only 3/32, but that's really not hard to manage for me.
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 04:05 PMLike 0 - I think4-5 years will become the norm. People used to buy new PCs every 3-5 years, and now it's more like 5-10 because the platforms and hardware are mature.
My KEYone is two years old, and I can't imagine upgrading it unless there's a major security issue. It's only 3/32, but that's really not hard to manage for me.
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 04:11 PMLike 0 - I think4-5 years will become the norm. People used to buy new PCs every 3-5 years, and now it's more like 5-10 because the platforms and hardware are mature.
My KEYone is two years old, and I can't imagine upgrading it unless there's a major security issue. It's only 3/32, but that's really not hard to manage for me.
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 04:11 PMLike 0 -
Posted with my trusty Z1008-17-19 04:15 PMLike 0 - My point is that some increased communication would help marketing. Consumers do not like uncertainty. I recall at the start of bbmobile a two year plan for three devices was tabled. We've had them but no word on any future plan.08-18-19 11:13 AMLike 0
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- More than anything some plan helps consumers to plan too. There may be less need for an annual version. But let us know.08-18-19 11:16 AMLike 0
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- I truly hope there will be a Key 3, as I absolutely love my Key 2 and dread the day it no longer works for whatever reason. I don’t have keyboard issues, lag issues, or any other problems. Yes, the swipe-up motion could be more reliable, but other than that - no complaints! Well, maybe one-the keyboard backlighting could be brighter.08-18-19 02:30 PMLike 0
- You can't seriously believe they don't know their plans for the next year and are just sitting there undecided?08-18-19 05:36 PMLike 3
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- Well then they have until MWC to figure out whether they are coming or going otherwise how exactly is anybody at this company going to face journalists? Or perhaps, they won't exhibit at all in which case it will be interesting to hear what you will have to say about it.08-18-19 05:45 PMLike 0
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