Android 9 Pie - Is it possible the KEY2 might receive it early?
- Well Chuck, we can chase our tales all night on financial speculation, it would be a waste of time and there are umpteen threads on the subject with many self proclaimed Guru's! The simple point and I mean simple, was regardless of financial minutia speculation and panic exaggerations, we are owed 1 OS upgrade! Period! I can't make this any simpler! Let us see where the chips fall.
I believe Playbook owners are waiting for an upgrade as well.....yybenedb likes this.07-09-19 10:02 PMLike 1 -
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PS - I had a Rogers phone at the time, so might be different.
Sent from Damien's Blackberry Key2Last edited by Crusader03; 07-09-19 at 10:35 PM.
07-09-19 10:11 PMLike 0 -
Last year they had the KEY2 to work out "issues" with.... I suspect that went a long way towards making the Oreo update for the KEYone "smoother".
While I know that for the most part, PIE is a very stable product after a year, and it's been used on a number of products with the same chipsets as the KEY2 and KEY2 LE. But I doubt BBMo would risk releasing PIE to production units without some sort of beta. It's not like BlackBerry and BBMo have huge teams of in house testers.
Reality is we should have seen something by now... But BlackBerry, TCL and even the app developers that post here, are treating it like it's some top secret project.
It's pure speculation, but I can think of only one reason to keep PIE a secret at this point...Vistaus and John Albert like this.07-10-19 07:56 AMLike 2 - ?
Last year they had the KEY2 to work out "issues" with.... I suspect that went a long way towards making the Oreo update for the KEYone "smoother".
While I know that for the most part, PIE is a very stable product after a year, and it's been used on a number of products with the same chipsets as the KEY2 and KEY2 LE. But I doubt BBMo would risk releasing PIE to production units without some sort of beta. It's not like BlackBerry and BBMo have huge teams of in house testers.
Reality is we should have seen something by now... But BlackBerry, TCL and even the app developers that post here, are treating it like it's some top secret project.
It's pure speculation, but I can think of only one reason to keep PIE a secret at this point...
Pretty sure we are all just talking to ourselves. If I was ever looking for something to cut out of the budget, that would be my first thing.07-10-19 08:38 AMLike 0 -
Too be honest, I think they would have been better off to have released OREO on the KEYone earlier, that might have made the KEY2 launch a little better.07-10-19 08:44 AMLike 0 -
I think bringing Oreo to a pre-Oreo device is a very different animal from bringing Oreo to a new launch device.07-10-19 08:47 AMLike 0 - 07-10-19 11:54 AMLike 0
- It's different now, as customers want the world for free. Companies can't afford to bend over backwards.
Look at the TCL A1 - a smartphone for $24.99. How much is in the tank for excellent after-sales support?
Most companies not named Apple or Samsung are selling devices at $2 to $20 profit/unit.
Go drop $1000 to $1500 on an iPhone and they will be happy to give you the royal treatment.07-10-19 11:56 AMLike 0 - This is the fallacy of cost-based pricing. Sophisticated organizations do not do this. They run value-added pricing models.
I put no weight in arguments that BlackBerry Mobile cannot afford to put better components in devices without driving the cost up.
Only small companies and government/defense contractors do cost-plus pricing.
A $25 phone sells for $25 because that's what the market will bear for a TCL/Alcatel device in a world dominated by flagships.07-10-19 12:51 PMLike 0 - This is the fallacy of cost-based pricing. Sophisticated organizations do not do this. They run value-added pricing models.
I put no weight in arguments that BlackBerry Mobile cannot afford to put better components in devices without driving the cost up.
Only small companies and government/defense contractors do cost-plus pricing.
A $25 phone sells for $25 because that's what the market will bear for a TCL/Alcatel device in a world dominated by flagships.
BBMo has exactly 2 products, and is its own independent profit centre. You must use cost-based pricing in that case.coffee-turtle likes this.07-10-19 01:38 PMLike 1 - If you have confused a legally enforceable agreement with a marketing brochure, then you have a high probability of being disappointed should Pie not arrive to the K2.07-10-19 01:53 PMLike 0
- This is the fallacy of cost-based pricing. Sophisticated organizations do not do this. They run value-added pricing models.
I put no weight in arguments that BlackBerry Mobile cannot afford to put better components in devices without driving the cost up.
Only small companies and government/defense contractors do cost-plus pricing.
A $25 phone sells for $25 because that's what the market will bear for a TCL/Alcatel device in a world dominated by flagships.
Maybe TCL is taking a loss on this phone, in order to buy marketshare in the US market. Or maybe they are being supported in this endeavor by other means... Some weird US government subsidy for low cost smartphones? Or possibly the motherland needs a way into the US and they are pulling Huawei's backing and putting it into TCL?
Or just maybe it's a locked phone that only works on a designated MVNO.... which seems to be the case.07-10-19 01:54 PMLike 0 - 07-10-19 02:26 PMLike 3
- Just called @BlackBerry Mobile to ask the same only to be told thaty it is not up to them, rather it is up to Google....LOL, not only these CSR are clueless they do not even understand the basics. Pencil pushers dare I say....Vistaus and Laura Knotek like this.07-10-19 02:45 PMLike 2
- Still at some level you do have to sell products for more than they cost you. A company has to make a profit.... somehow.
Maybe TCL is taking a loss on this phone, in order to buy marketshare in the US market. Or maybe they are being supported in this endeavor by other means... Some weird US government subsidy for low cost smartphones? Or possibly the motherland needs a way into the US and they are pulling Huawei's backing and putting it into TCL?
Or just maybe it's a locked phone that only works on a designated MVNO.... which seems to be the case.07-10-19 03:23 PMLike 3 -
- yes lol... those days are past.
Think better results would come from "bombing" their social network pages.... but bottom line they've already made the decision and nothing is going to change it. Just have to wait and see what it was.07-15-19 09:06 AMLike 2 -
All Android OEM’s have to meet Google’s standards for security patching . To the extent TCL used BlackBerry, that is just a cost of doing business.
The higher costs associated with branding etc are a form of marketing expense. The problem here is that the branding expense is unreasonably high when amortized through the sales of so few phones sold.
A TCL PKB phone could still be profitable. They should just licence the keyboard design .
The inability of TCL and BlackBerry to work together in order to make a good all touch phone for sale at a reasonable price to be sold by USA carriers was the tipping point.07-15-19 09:46 AMLike 0 - Having a different division for BlackBerry and Alcatel only made sense when they thought they would sell to Enterprise customers through carriers.
All Android OEM’s have to meet Google’s standards for security patching . To the extent TCL used BlackBerry, that is just a cost of doing business.
The higher costs associated with branding etc are a form of marketing expense. The problem here is that the branding expense is unreasonably high when amortized through the sales of so few phones sold.
A TCL PKB phone could still be profitable. They should just licence the keyboard design .
The inability of TCL and BlackBerry to work together in order to make a good all touch phone for sale at a reasonable price to be sold by USA carriers was the tipping point.Vistaus likes this.07-15-19 09:53 AMLike 1
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