- if it's just business then it's safe to assume this is it for blackberry, be it blackberry mobile, TCL whatever. if what your saying is true that they think it's just cheaper to not support products after 4 to 6 months then it's really an exit strategy. save money while they completely shut down and go out with the KEYone, that makes sense now.
I own restaurants, let's say my kitchen makes an extra pancake. first thought (and a nice one) is to give it to a staff member so it doesn't go to waste right? wrong. Throw it in the garbage is cheaper when it's already waste. That staff member will put butter and syrup on it, costing me even more not to mention dirty up a plate for my dishwasher to spend more labor on.
So really, this business practice that some of you are talking about sounds more like an exit strategy. if blackberry is software only but the hardware side provides no support for the product then both sides have nothing. They sound like they are merely getting rid of some final products and do it as cheaply as possible and then disappear. too bad
TCL, on the other hand, genuinely seems quite excited about the opportunity. I'm pretty confident that they're going to stick around for a while.
If you feel better holding TCL to account for BlackBerry's prior faults, then go for it. I just don't find it a very useful exercise.06-27-17 12:53 PMLike 0 - Finally....somebody gets it. You're right. It's an exit strategy....just like a few months ago when Chen said BB was EXITING hardware.
Think of it like BB couldn't get anyone to buy the hardware business, 2013 or 2017. Chen licensed the name and if brand has any value left, maybe then BBMo will buy it outright if they have any commercial success.
As far as everything goes though, Chen is done wasting shareholder money on hardware as he should be. Whether or not the company will be further successful is unknown but the shareholders back Chen.
You're right though, no reason for throwing good money after bad...and yes EXIT strategy but he told us that clearly awhile back. What more does anybody want from a shut down entity/division?
They simply changed to a licensing strategy because it was more efficient to have someone else build them.
Their logo is clearly still all over existing hardware sales.
No amount of excuse making can change that.
It's still really simple... ya might get it soon.chi-town311 likes this.06-27-17 12:56 PMLike 1 - They did NOT exit hardware.
They simply changed to a licensing strategy because it was more efficient to have someone else build them.
Their logo is clearly still all over existing hardware sales.
No amount of excuse making can change that.
It's still really simple... ya might get it soon.06-27-17 12:58 PMLike 0 - Then why were the Dtek series, and K1 Marketed, Branded, Warrantied, and sold by BlackBerry, Not BlackBerry made by TCL?06-27-17 01:06 PMLike 0
- They did NOT exit hardware.
They simply changed to a licensing strategy because it was more efficient to have someone else build them.
Their logo is clearly still all over existing hardware sales.
No amount of excuse making can change that.
It's still really simple... ya might get it soon.
There's various levels with outsourcing and they've chosen the extreme with licensing. They have no legal obligation to back up anything BBMo does. They have to honor remaining warranties for PRIV/DTEK hardware sold recently.
If you think it's more, sue them, although I'm sure they'll out legal you with the law and out lawyer you with the bodies. Fairfax/Prem and the other institutional shareholders are pretty good with that sort of thing.06-27-17 01:08 PMLike 0 -
The Priv and DTEKs were BlackBerry devices, and sold and distributed by BlackBerry. They are also out of production and no longer available.
The KEYᵒⁿᵉ is a TCL (BlackBerry Mobile) device - sold and distributed by TCL. www.blackberrymobile.com06-27-17 01:10 PMLike 0 - Just like when you're consulting for a company, they may even give you an email address and cubicle, but you're not an employee...you decide what you're going to do, when you're going to do it and EXIT anytime you'd like....
There's various levels with outsourcing and they've chosen the extreme with licensing. They have no legal obligation to back up anything BBMo does. They have to honor remaining warranties for PRIV/DTEK hardware sold recently.
If you think it's more, sue them, although I'm sure they'll out legal you with the law and out lawyer you with the bodies. Fairfax/Prem and the other institutional shareholders are pretty good with that sort of thing.
Another thought.... Does anyone know what CB plans to do once the BB logo ceases to exist on hardware.06-27-17 01:21 PMLike 0 - You're not correct.
The Priv and DTEKs were BlackBerry devices, and sold and distributed by BlackBerry. They are also out of production and no longer available.
The KEYᵒⁿᵉ is a TCL (BlackBerry Mobile) device - sold and distributed by TCL. BlackBerry® KEYone | United States - Official Website06-27-17 01:22 PMLike 0 - You're not correct.
The Priv and DTEKs were BlackBerry devices, and sold and distributed by BlackBerry. They are also out of production and no longer available.
The KEYᵒⁿᵉ is a TCL (BlackBerry Mobile) device - sold and distributed by TCL. BlackBerry® KEYone | United States - Official Website
So are you saying that from day 1 we should have assumed that BlackBerry wouldn't support it because they had already exited the business? Or should we listen to the marketing that is still on their website that states they will provide updates and secure the device.crackberry_geek likes this.06-27-17 01:24 PMLike 1 -
- The PRIV was designed by BlackBerry, was it not? The DTEK phones used reference designs previously used by TCL. So it is similar, but BlackBerry had much more input into the design of the PRIV, right?06-27-17 01:29 PMLike 0
- The DTEK60 was made by TCL. It was also released after BB announced they were exiting the Device business.
So are you saying that from day 1 we should have assumed that BlackBerry wouldn't support it because they had already exited the business? Or should we listen to the marketing that is still on their website that states they will provide updates and secure the device.06-27-17 01:29 PMLike 0 - The PRIV was designed by BlackBerry, was it not? The DTEK phones used reference designs previously used by TCL. So it is similar, but BlackBerry had much more input into the design of the PRIV, right?06-27-17 01:29 PMLike 0
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They figured that would be cheaper, and make the devices more affordable than designing from scratch.06-27-17 01:31 PMLike 0 - Are they? Not to the degree that they promote on their website, and not to the degree that has been expected considering they are "first-in-class"
More apologist talk from conite. Not surprising.
In addition, the most secure thing would be to update to Nougat, but that won't happen.06-27-17 01:32 PMLike 0 - Are they? Not to the degree that they promote on their website, and not to the degree that has been expected considering they are "first-in-class"
More apologist talk from conite. Not surprising.
In addition, the most secure thing would be to update to Nougat, but that won't happen.chi-town311 likes this.06-27-17 01:35 PMLike 1 - Are they? Not to the degree that they promote on their website, and not to the degree that has been expected considering they are "first-in-class"
More apologist talk from conite. Not surprising.
In addition, the most secure thing would be to update to Nougat, but that won't happen.
Warranty support and monthly patches sufficiently qualify as a measurable level of support - so your statement is incorrect.06-27-17 01:36 PMLike 0 -
- well, until we get an update for June or July, the support I am seeing is zero since I got the May update.
That is how I view it.
Warranty support is a legal obligation. I won't even consider that.06-27-17 01:37 PMLike 0 - It does to me. I am not happy with my experience with a TCL built BlackBerry phone. Therefore TCL and BlackBerry have a negative perception in my mind. Even if the legal lines you draw with regard to the DTEK60 mean I should only be mad at BlackBerry.06-27-17 01:40 PMLike 0
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- 06-27-17 01:42 PMLike 1
- Finally....somebody gets it. You're right. It's an exit strategy....just like a few months ago when Chen said BB was EXITING hardware.
Think of it like BB couldn't get anyone to buy the hardware business, 2013 or 2017. Chen licensed the name and if brand has any value left, maybe then BBMo will buy it outright if they have any commercial success.
As far as everything goes though, Chen is done wasting shareholder money on hardware as he should be. Whether or not the company will be further successful is unknown but the shareholders back Chen.
You're right though, no reason for throwing good money after bad...and yes EXIT strategy but he told us that clearly awhile back. What more does anybody want from a shut down entity/division?06-27-17 01:43 PMLike 0
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