- Dude you are so fixated on this. No OEM would every update a device if they expected some sort of return from it. Yet there are devices older then the Priv getting updated. What could possibly be the motivation there exactly because it certainly isn't to make money as you seem to think is the sole reason for updates.05-23-17 09:41 PMLike 0
- Dude you are so fixated on this. No OEM would every update a device if they expected some sort of return from it. Yet there are devices older then the Priv getting updated. What could possibly be the motivation there exactly because it certainly isn't to make money as you seem to think is the sole reason for updates.
But since BlackBerry does not, they would be less inclined to look at non-monetary issues.05-23-17 09:44 PMLike 0 -
And if the case is what you say it is, then BlackBerry should come out and just say they have abandoned anything that was ever made in house rather then keep pushing out remaining stock as they are now knowing full well they won't do anything for them software wise as you claim. That will only hurt their name further and will hurt future devices no matter who is making them. I get you seem to to think it's okay but average consumers arent as understanding and forgiving as you.
And by the way, I only care because I want success for devices going forward. Not because I care about Android N so much. By screwing the existing user base and ditching devices that you are selling still today, that already puts BlackBerry mobile behind the 8 ball and in an uphill battle as this existing base is likely who will buy their devices first.05-23-17 09:49 PMLike 0 - Except that they committed to an ongoing device business with others and their name is still tied to both current and future devices. Consumers don't give two ****s about what production line a device is coming off if it has their name and brand and software all over it.
And if the case is what you say it is, then BlackBerry should come out and just say they have abandoned anything that was ever made in house rather then keep pushing out remaining stock as they are now knowing full well they won't do anything for them software wise as you claim. That will only hurt their name further and will hurt future devices no matter who is making them. I get you seem to to think it's okay but average consumers arent as understanding and forgiving as you.
And by the way, I only care because I want success for devices going forward. Not because I care about Android N so much. By screwing the existing user base and ditching devices that you are selling still today, that already puts BlackBerry mobile behind the 8 ball and in an uphill battle as this existing base is likely who will buy their devices first.
Cost of updating and supporting N going forward on current devices versus potential loss of future licencing revenues from a number of angry customers.05-23-17 09:54 PMLike 0 - Yes you keep saying that but really no source as to what the costs are. Pure speculation. And like I said, the number of customers is what kept them in the game this long to even have an android offering to licence out. And those are likely the same people who will keep it going until BlackBerry mobile can make head way if they ever do.crackberry_geek likes this.05-23-17 09:56 PMLike 1
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Further, the Idol 4 aka DTEK50 hasn't received Nougat either. Nor has the 4S, aka DTEK60.
There are a lot of good reasons to want Nougat, so I get the desire. On the other-hand, if due to hardware they find it doesn't provide as stable an experience, and has no performance gains, then why release it and have the majority, who don't come on CrackBerry clamoring for it, disappointed. If that ends up the case, they shouldn't say anything, or surely the torches and pitchforks will come out.
I would think the order of Nougat likely releases would be Idol 4S, DTEK60, Priv, Idol 4, and DTEK50 pulling up the rear.05-23-17 11:21 PMLike 0 -
When launched the DTEK50 might have been the most secure Android phone. But today that's the KEYone, as it runs NOUGAT which has fixed a few inherit Android problems that were still in Marshmallow. But even NOUGAT has a few known vulnerabilities.... that Android "O" is suppose to fix.
Monthly security patches only do so much.... as they can't make the big changes that are sometimes required to protect users.05-24-17 07:40 AMLike 0 - I'd rather have a dollar for every time someone complained they said nothing at all.Dunt Dunt Dunt and xandros9 like this.05-24-17 07:56 AMLike 2
- If BlackBerry cares about their brand, they will do things that preserve the brand in the eyes of their current customers. If they want to be cheap with their brand, then we can be cheap with them and not buy devices with their software anymore. TCL will do the talking for us.
Why should they worry about a handful of retail customers upset that they are not getting free stuff they were never promised in the first place? Threatening not to buy products BlackBerry doesn't intend to make likely doesn't keep anyone at BlackBerry up at night.
BlackBerry started out as a corporate IT service provider and that's what they are good at. They are smart to leave the consumer market for phones to licensees who actually want to be in that business.
BlackBerry's reputation with its "real" customers (the kind that are actually profitable) is very good and getting better. That's why the stock is up 50%+ this year.
Posted with my trusty Z10BigBadWulf and Troy Tiscareno like this.05-24-17 08:07 AMLike 2 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorI wouldn't be surprised if there was some marketing involved with the delay. This way the KEYone can have the latest and greatest and it becomes a selling point. This was BlackBerry's pattern with BB10 versioning, too, with new devices having the latest OS revision on release and the rest of the devices getting it a month or two later.
PERSONALLY (i.e. strictly my own speculation), I think the DTEK50 & 60 will get Nougat in the next couple months, with the Priv possibly following sometime later this year. I'd even say the odds are good that the DTEKs will get Android 8 eventually.xandros9 likes this.05-24-17 09:38 AMLike 1 - UziRetired ModeratorI wouldn't be surprised if there was some marketing involved with the delay. This way the KEYone can have the latest and greatest and it becomes a selling point. This was BlackBerry's pattern with BB10 versioning, too, with new devices having the latest OS revision on release and the rest of the devices getting it a month or two later.
PERSONALLY (i.e. strictly my own speculation), I think the DTEK50 & 60 will get Nougat in the next couple months, with the Priv possibly following sometime later this year. I'd even say the odds are good that the DTEKs will get Android 8 eventually.05-24-17 09:43 AMLike 0 - I wouldn't be surprised if there was some marketing involved with the delay. This way the KEYone can have the latest and greatest and it becomes a selling point. This was BlackBerry's pattern with BB10 versioning, too, with new devices having the latest OS revision on release and the rest of the devices getting it a month or two later.
PERSONALLY (i.e. strictly my own speculation), I think the DTEK50 & 60 will get Nougat in the next couple months, with the Priv possibly following sometime later this year. I'd even say the odds are good that the DTEKs will get Android 8 eventually.
Also a big difference seems to be the amount of tweaking it takes for each device. With BB10 one OS ruled them all, of course one SoC pretty much ruled them all also. Just looking at the difference in the Aurora and KEYone......Chuck Finley69 and Uzi like this.05-24-17 11:59 AMLike 2 -
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- Dude you are so fixated on this. No OEM would every update a device if they expected some sort of return from it. Yet there are devices older then the Priv getting updated. What could possibly be the motivation there exactly because it certainly isn't to make money as you seem to think is the sole reason for updates.BigBadWulf likes this.05-24-17 07:49 PMLike 1
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Sammy learned from their mistake and might just know more... and have the safest batteries available now.
BlackBerry... on the other hand... keeps making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again.xandros9 likes this.05-24-17 08:46 PMLike 1 - Motivation is for customers to buy more devices. No company ever wants to spend money on devices it has already sold and booked the revenue. If OEMs don't provide updates, customers move to other brands. Since BlackBerry Original exited the OEM business, motivation is mostly gone. TCL licensed a very tarnished brand. However, like Conite said, it's a math game. BlackBerry Original cares about goodwill to extent spending any money for PRIV and DTEK will generate enough additional licensing revenue to pay for those updates in the future. They've licensed the brand to very sophisticated business people who understand all this as well. PRIV and DTEK were to prove Android could be secured and to keep brand relevant. If consumers forgive brands for things like exploding batteries, not getting Nougat will really not matter.
I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to all the specs and processing speed/memory, etc required to run the updated OS so forgive me if this is a dumb question. Could the DTEK50 handle Nougat without getting bogged down?05-24-17 08:48 PMLike 0 -
Licencees can fuss with devices while BlackBerry finally enjoys the fruits of its turnaround.BigBadWulf likes this.05-24-17 08:54 PMLike 1 - Yes you're right BlackBerry has nothing to do with it now....except for that small tiny little piece called the software. You know, that thing that they themselves said is what actually makes a smartphone and not the hardware. But yes, you are right. Not important and doesnt matter one tiny bit.05-24-17 10:12 PMLike 0
- Yes you're right BlackBerry has nothing to do with it now....except for that small tiny little piece called the software. You know, that thing that they themselves said is what actually makes a smartphone and not the hardware. But yes, you are right. Not important and doesnt matter one tiny bit.
But they have managed to dump device design, manufacture, marketing, distribution, and support - and all the infrastructure and physical plant that goes along with it.05-24-17 10:17 PMLike 0 - Kind of depends on those licence agreements (duration, support, etc) that you consistently refer to when making an argument just how expendable it is.05-24-17 10:19 PMLike 0
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