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- Sorry, I don't see Tesla that way. Musk is using a whole lot of taxpayer money to develop electric cars and prop up his company. I would have had much more respect for him if he had a great product, and funded it and Tesla with private money. I am not convinced electric cars are a sure thing, particularly any self-driving ones.
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-19-16 11:38 PMLike 0 - Sorry, I don't see Tesla that way. Musk is using a whole lot of taxpayer money to develop electric cars and prop up his company. I would have had much more respect for him if he had a great product, and funded it and Tesla with private money. I am not convinced electric cars are a sure thing, particularly any self-driving ones.08-19-16 11:42 PMLike 0
- You realize that BB was never actually "on top" right? Back when BB was "#1" they were the best selling brand FOR SMARTPHONES. I highlight that because at that time smartphones were not the top selling type of phones. The majority of phones being sold were still dumbphones. So in fact, even when BB was so-called "on top" there really was still a ton of options in the market for phones. You had the regular candybar dumbphones, you had flip phones, you had the BB smartphones, you had the texting phones, you had landscape sliders, portrait sliders, the list goes on. It's nothing like it is now...
And there has been a FEW innovations in the last 5 years, nothing like the rate technology is supposed to move. Slapping old existing things onto phones is not innovation, especially things that are not useful for mobile communications. What exactly are these innovations? A curved screen that serves no real purpose or benefit? Fingerprint scanners that have been on laptops for over a decade? A heartrate sensor which has existed for many decades but nobody needed it on phones and still don't need it on phones? The only useful innovation so far (but still not new) is wireless charging, which my electric toothbrush has had for many years, but still at least something that actually makes sense for phones but still nothing revolutionary that pushes the industry forward. Just look at the phones side-by-side generation to generation. Glass slabs that get bigger with every bigger number. More storage, faster cpu, what innovations have there been? Just look back more than 5 years ago and look at how many game-changing innovations happen during every 5 year period before then. Then tell me innovation is moving forward today... The market is getting stagnant and it's because the leaders are comfortable and have no reason to spend money on r&d.
BB did the same and paid the price for it, but I don't think the same would happen with the big two now. When BB did that, people still bought phones based on features of the phones themselves. Now people buy phones based on apps, so no matter how many "nifty" features BB tries to put into their phones, unless it has the "must-have" apps of that year, nobody will buy them. Same goes for any other company who tries to get into the market. I would make the same argument for Windows Phone, but I can't bring myself to do it because I honestly disliked Windows Phone when I tried it. Had one and got rid of it. But that was before this latest version, so who knows if it got better. But who cares, it doesn't have some of the "must-have" apps either so...
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Your comments, or perceptions, are based on what you feel innovations should or shouldn't be. That does not mean technology is not moving forward in other directions. Screen technology has advanced greatly in the last 5 years. I'm speaking both of resolution and the ability to input data. Look at the Note series. Also, camera technology has greatly improved making it unnecessary for most people to have to carry a separate device. Wireless charging, which you brought up, is another. Technology does not advance in a smooth curve, it takes something big to drive the next session. Apps are it now, something new will come along.
I also find it interesting that people bring up this argument but then stick to a PKB phone from 5 years ago. What do people really want?08-20-16 07:29 AMLike 0 -
U dont like bb, its fine, there r so many other products 2 choose from. But dont hope for it 2 finish. Please.
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But I have a feeling that you don't care as much about a larger number of choices as you do about YOUR choice being among the winners or not. Few here were complaining about BB's domination and demanded more competition back when they owned most of the smartphone market - they only complain today because BB lost.08-20-16 12:06 PMLike 4 - That's not always the case. In fact, when a product requires a ton of infrastructure, and its competitors require tons of non-compatible infrastructure, then it can be better - even for consumers - if there are only a few options, because if there are too many, the costs of supporting their various infrastructures both increases costs for everyone and reduces the breadth and depth of the infrastructure that any of the competitors have. This is why the free market brings itself into equilibrium - even at the expense of the weaker competitors.
But I have a feeling that you don't care as much about a larger number of choices as you do about YOUR choice being among the winners or not. Few here were complaining about BB's domination and demanded more competition back when they owned most of the smartphone market - they only complain today because BB lost.
Now about the second part - although i understand that it is quite difficult 2 achieve, i desire a level playing field in the market. In the old days there were basically 2 players in the phone market, the situation is more or less same now, again with 2 major players. This is what i am not comfortable with. Even in the old days i was not comfortable with nokia dominating in India, just like bb did in US. And today so is the case with Android.
But then again i hav to accept it as u rightly said about the equilibrium.
On a personal level, i hav a soft area for bb coz i always wanted 2 own 1, i kind of feel 'sad' to see it overthrown.
This cud b more emotional than logical.
And definitely i'll buy the mercury in 2017.
And i'll also buy a sfos phone for sure.
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08-20-16 12:32 PMLike 0 - Now about the second part - although i understand that it is quite difficult 2 achieve, i desire a level playing field in the market. In the old days there were basically 2 players in the phone market, the situation is more or less same now, again with 2 major players. This is what i am not comfortable with. Even in the old days i was not comfortable with nokia dominating in India, just like bb did in US. And today so is the case with Android.
But then again i hav to accept it as u rightly said about the equilibrium.StephanieMaks and TgeekB like this.08-20-16 01:20 PMLike 2 - I don't know why you would be uncomfortable. Apple and Google made things which customers prefer, and the giants Nokia and BB collapsed quickly. So clearly in this case the market works. If someone comes up with something which people really prefer over iOS and Android, and if it offers something dramatically new to partners and developers, then it can succeed.
Nokia's n9, n900 were great phones but were killed to make way for Windows, which ultimately did not happen, and ms had to resell nokia.
Apple, no doubt made a great product, which actually bb shud hav made given their market position at that time.
Google started with the open source project, and packaged it with proprietary play store / apps, effectively cutting the end user of being exposed 2 other apps.
Even though users can install other apps on an Android, most do nit even know that an alternative exists.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/20/tech...awsuit-europe/
This loss of the consumers makes me uncomfortable.
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08-20-16 01:37 PMLike 0 - I don't know why you would be uncomfortable. Apple and Google made things which customers prefer, and the giants Nokia and BB collapsed quickly. So clearly in this case the market works. If someone comes up with something which people really prefer over iOS and Android, and if it offers something dramatically new to partners and developers, then it can succeed.08-20-16 02:08 PMLike 0
- Yes, Blackberry was the king of smartphones and Nokia the king of dumb phones. Both now irrelevant.
Your comments, or perceptions, are based on what you feel innovations should or shouldn't be. That does not mean technology is not moving forward in other directions. Screen technology has advanced greatly in the last 5 years. I'm speaking both of resolution and the ability to input data. Look at the Note series. Also, camera technology has greatly improved making it unnecessary for most people to have to carry a separate device. Wireless charging, which you brought up, is another. Technology does not advance in a smooth curve, it takes something big to drive the next session. Apps are it now, something new will come along.
I also find it interesting that people bring up this argument but then stick to a PKB phone from 5 years ago. What do people really want?
And what does a pkb have to do with anything? I want technology to advance but I'm not one of those dummies that think newer has to be better. There are many advancements that are actually not an improvement. Am I saying they shouldn't happen? Of course not, companies need to take risks to make new things. I've tried the only other option, all-touch (use one on a daily basis actually) and there are just too many advantages to a pkb beyond typing to make me want to use an all-touch for every day.
Look at Ford, they tried to do an all-touch control system for their cars entertainment and climate control systems. But then they got feedback from users that said while touchscreen controls work ok for most entertainment things, it's too much of a hassle to have to wait for the system to boot to change the A/C or to have to look at the screen while driving to make those changes, so Ford went back to knobs and physical buttons for their climate controls. The "newer has to be better" crowd would say that is going backwards. But we know better right?
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-20-16 06:41 PMLike 0 - That's not always the case. In fact, when a product requires a ton of infrastructure, and its competitors require tons of non-compatible infrastructure, then it can be better - even for consumers - if there are only a few options, because if there are too many, the costs of supporting their various infrastructures both increases costs for everyone and reduces the breadth and depth of the infrastructure that any of the competitors have. This is why the free market brings itself into equilibrium - even at the expense of the weaker competitors.
But I have a feeling that you don't care as much about a larger number of choices as you do about YOUR choice being among the winners or not. Few here were complaining about BB's domination and demanded more competition back when they owned most of the smartphone market - they only complain today because BB lost.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-20-16 06:43 PMLike 0 - I don't know why you would be uncomfortable. Apple and Google made things which customers prefer, and the giants Nokia and BB collapsed quickly. So clearly in this case the market works. If someone comes up with something which people really prefer over iOS and Android, and if it offers something dramatically new to partners and developers, then it can succeed.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-20-16 06:53 PMLike 0 - 08-20-16 07:32 PMLike 0
- In this case, I'm talking about the infrastructure of apps, services, and developer tools & APIs. Since each platform wanted unique (native) apps, services, and developer tools, that's a whole lot of duplicate infrastructure and a whole lot of work for developers - who prefer to only support 2, or maybe 3 platforms, because duplicating all of their work 4, 5, or 6 times for dramatically fewer users just doesn't make sense.08-21-16 01:18 AMLike 0
- I spoke to quite a few people back when they were thinking about buying a new phone that told me specifically that they don't care about the social media apps and they prefer a physical keyboard only to buy an all-touch just because they were told those were the popular phones to buy. Yes, just so they could "fit in."08-21-16 01:22 AMLike 3
- Screens and camera tech advanced independently of mobile phones. That's because there's still pretty healthy competition in the television and camera market... Same thing can be said about CPU and GPU technology. All of those things would have advanced exactly the same even if smartphones didn't exist...
And what does a pkb have to do with anything? I want technology to advance but I'm not one of those dummies that think newer has to be better. There are many advancements that are actually not an improvement. Am I saying they shouldn't happen? Of course not, companies need to take risks to make new things. I've tried the only other option, all-touch (use one on a daily basis actually) and there are just too many advantages to a pkb beyond typing to make me want to use an all-touch for every day.
Look at Ford, they tried to do an all-touch control system for their cars entertainment and climate control systems. But then they got feedback from users that said while touchscreen controls work ok for most entertainment things, it's too much of a hassle to have to wait for the system to boot to change the A/C or to have to look at the screen while driving to make those changes, so Ford went back to knobs and physical buttons for their climate controls. The "newer has to be better" crowd would say that is going backwards. But we know better right?
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The opposite is true of smartphones. The feedback they get is people want all-touch screens, larger screens, etc. That doesn't make people any less intelligent than you. You can continue to use PKB if it works for you, most people have happily moved on.08-21-16 07:38 AMLike 0 - Did these people TELL YOU that they bought those phones to "fit in"? Because it seems to me that you are jumping to that conclusion. That's certainly not the only reason to buy into a popular platform - in fact, the biggest reason to buy into a popular platform is because that platform will enjoy far better support from developers, giving those buyers access to a much larger set of apps and services. It also means that should their needs change in a week or a month or a year, they can be assured that the app or service they'll need in the future will be available for their phone - which is NOT something that niche platforms can promise. People choose Android and iOS for that reason far more often than because they want to "fit in with the crowd."Ronindan likes this.08-21-16 07:41 AMLike 1
- I agree about the all-touch systems in cars. Hate them mainly because I think they're dangerous. Too difficult to use while driving. As you said, they got negative feedback from customers so are going back to knobs.
The opposite is true of smartphones. The feedback they get is people want all-touch screens, larger screens, etc. That doesn't make people any less intelligent than you. You can continue to use PKB if it works for you, most people have happily moved on.
I wonder if touch sensitivity cud be integrated into such a keyboard.
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You know what else is interesting is the foldable screen technology they are working on. I saw an article where Samsung has a prototype of a wallet -type phone that unfolds to be twice as large, much like a book. Very cool.
.blackmass likes this.08-21-16 07:48 AMLike 1 - In this case, I'm talking about the infrastructure of apps, services, and developer tools & APIs. Since each platform wanted unique (native) apps, services, and developer tools, that's a whole lot of duplicate infrastructure and a whole lot of work for developers - who prefer to only support 2, or maybe 3 platforms, because duplicating all of their work 4, 5, or 6 times for dramatically fewer users just doesn't make sense.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-21-16 01:28 PMLike 0 - Did these people TELL YOU that they bought those phones to "fit in"? Because it seems to me that you are jumping to that conclusion. That's certainly not the only reason to buy into a popular platform - in fact, the biggest reason to buy into a popular platform is because that platform will enjoy far better support from developers, giving those buyers access to a much larger set of apps and services. It also means that should their needs change in a week or a month or a year, they can be assured that the app or service they'll need in the future will be available for their phone - which is NOT something that niche platforms can promise. People choose Android and iOS for that reason far more often than because they want to "fit in with the crowd."
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-21-16 01:31 PMLike 0 - I agree about the all-touch systems in cars. Hate them mainly because I think they're dangerous. Too difficult to use while driving. As you said, they got negative feedback from customers so are going back to knobs.
The opposite is true of smartphones. The feedback they get is people want all-touch screens, larger screens, etc. That doesn't make people any less intelligent than you. You can continue to use PKB if it works for you, most people have happily moved on.
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1008-21-16 01:36 PMLike 0 - I don't get where you're getting this whole intelligence thing from. I never said people who use all-touch are less intelligent. If that was the case, I'd be talking about my wife, mother, sister, and pretty much everyone I know. The only thing I've said are against people who seem to WANT competition to die... I don't get how it's so hard to understand, seriously...
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There is plenty of competition driving innovation. It's just not what you want.08-21-16 02:05 PMLike 0
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