BLACKBERRY DTEK50 is ALCATEL IDOL 4, why to buy BB ??
- Chen destroyed this company. I can't even listen to him speaking, he is a terrible speaker. During his rule of BB he never talked about positive sides, he always focused on the BB being near failure. That's a terrible thing to hear, being a customer or an invester. How did he become a CEO??
Now this move with absurdly called DTEK50 proves this guy is completely crazy. Maybe Alcatel should buy them and finish this torture?
Posted via CB10
Posted via CB1007-28-16 04:59 AMLike 0 -
In an age where every app and every ad agency wants access to consumers data, I'm glad Blackberry has created software with privacy and security in mind.07-28-16 05:20 AMLike 3 - Dear all,
as I said in title, please compare BB DTEK 50 with Alcatel Idol 4, where's the difference ?
Step further, why to buy BB then ? Because of its name ?
BB offers more security ? LOL
As a salesmen for years, I know that if you have some new product to sell/offer you have to outstand from competition. With DTEK as a feature BB is trying to do that, will they have any success ? Doubt that !!
This is not real BB, where's the physical keyboard. PKB is the only thing that makes BB different.sethr likes this.07-28-16 05:34 AMLike 1 - Huh? Both my Nexus 6 and Nexus 6p gets monthly security updates not to mention major O/S updates as soon as they're available while the Priv and Dtek50 will have to wait months or longer. I'm not disagreeing with you on the value added software and security hardware but come on, let's not try and make things up.
Beating Expectations: Android Security Patching for PRIV | Inside BlackBerry07-28-16 10:22 AMLike 0 - The spec is identical to the idol 4, there are no upgrades - as for the chipset production, that doesn't represent any modification either, it's just software keys using native features of the chipset. As far as I can tell, most OEMs don't bother simply consumers perceive no value so it's a cost with no upside.
Alcatel Idol 4 specs
DTEK50 Specs ? Specifications for Android BlackBerry Smartphone - Canada07-28-16 10:31 AMLike 0 -
-
- 07-28-16 10:47 AMLike 1
- Well, I guess this is Chen demonstrating that BlackBerry is a software company. Snatch a phone from the market, in some apps and software, then sell it for a hundred bucks more. So basically one would be buying an Alcatel hardware and BlackBerry software at the same time, all in one package.
BTW, some die-hard BlackBerry fans whom I know have called it the Kotex. Such a nice and handy pad.
Posted from my Passport07-28-16 10:51 AMLike 0 -
If we reuse camera sensors or flashes, etc. between devices, we can accelerate this, but with chipset changes, the internal image processing pipes often change in nontrivial ways, and we have to more or less start over.
This isn't necessarily in our camera app (a few things are), but down in the drivers and other OS components.07-28-16 10:57 AMLike 5 -
-
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...processors/617
It maxes out at 1.5GHz.07-28-16 11:24 AMLike 0 - it looks like alcatel makes 3 idol4's w/ different specs.
idol4 + 4s w/ 3GB ram ea, w/ 4S having more storage
Alcatel mobile | Global - IDOL 4/4s - Smartphones
and an idol4 for cricket w/ 2GB ram.
Alcatel | IDOL 4 VR Smartphone for Cricket | Buy Now07-28-16 11:41 AMLike 0 - Huh? Both my Nexus 6 and Nexus 6p gets monthly security updates not to mention major O/S updates as soon as they're available while the Priv and Dtek50 will have to wait months or longer. I'm not disagreeing with you on the value added software and security hardware but come on, let's not try and make things up.
Are you saying PRIV and now DTEK50 won't get security updates the day that Google releases them? "Zero day as in news release two days ago?. Nexus may be the only exception to this for patches. We are talking about security here not a major OS update. Last I checked PRIV is on MM as well as DTEK50. Same as Nexus.
PRIV and DTEK50 are way more secure than Nexus 6P and will be as long as you are able to root the Nexus device. None of this is made up.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?07-28-16 11:45 AMLike 0 - According to spec sheets, the DTEK50 can accept higher capacity memory cards (2 TB vs 512 GB), I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware change.
I have a Jolla C device officially saying only supporting 32 GB. The reason they just did not want to pay Microsoft license fees for exfat. I put in a 128 GB micro-SD card with ext4 formatted and it works flawlessly.Last edited by Leszek Lesner; 07-28-16 at 12:23 PM.
07-28-16 11:59 AMLike 2 - I corrected prior statement to include Nexus but.....
Are you saying PRIV and now DTEK50 won't get security updates the day that Google releases them? "Zero day as in news release two days ago?. Nexus may be the only exception to this for patches. We are talking about security here not a major OS update. Last I checked PRIV is on MM as well as DTEK50. Same as Nexus.
PRIV and DTEK50 are way more secure than Nexus 6P and will be as long as you are able to root the Nexus device. None of this is made up.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?
BlackBerry has been very impressive with the monthly security updates. The major updates are another matter, they were months behind the NEXUS phones and even other OEMs with their release of Marshmallow, expect that Nougat probably won't be much different.
But the thing is how long do you belive that BlackBerry will update these phones, if/when they close the hardware divisions. A year for security updates probably and a major update will probably just not happen unless they are already close to releasing it.
If you are buying this phone based just on the update cycle... you had better be very confident that they are going to stay in the hardware business. John Chen isn't all that certain of it... he let investor know he won't keep losing money on hardware. And without a guarantee of at least three years of updates from the time you buy a phone... just how secure do you think even a BlackBerry will be.
Sorry but I don't think unless you can assure users that updates will last, no matter what BlackBerry does... that the update cycle is really a selling feature for someone looking to use this phone for the average 3 years.07-28-16 12:03 PMLike 2 - How long after Marshmallow was released, did the PRIV get it?
BlackBerry has been very impressive with the monthly security updates. The major updates are another matter, they were months behind the NEXUS phones and even other OEMs with their release of Marshmallow, expect that Nougat probably won't be much different.
But the thing is how long do you belive that BlackBerry will update these phones, if/when they close the hardware divisions. A year for security updates probably and a major update will probably just not happen unless they are already close to releasing it.
If you are buying this phone based just on the update cycle... you had better be very confident that they are going to stay in the hardware business. John Chen isn't all that certain of it... he let investor know he won't keep losing money on hardware. And without a guarantee of at least three years of updates from the time you buy a phone... just how secure do you think even a BlackBerry will be.
Sorry but I don't think unless you can assure users that updates will last, no matter what BlackBerry does... that the update cycle is really a selling feature for someone looking to use this phone for the average 3 years.
Why are you trying to turn this into a OS update discussion? My whole post was about security! Most here won't hang on to their phones for 3 years. Maybe you will but regardless of that BlackBerry will continue devices for Businesses and Government and consumers that want them. PRIV and DTEK50 are on 6.01.
I guess the test will be when Nexus gets N update compared to PRIV / DTEK50.
Regardless, let's get back to security which is what BlackBerry is all about and as a security software rep I appreciate that.
You also need to separate software and hardware. Updates are software so even if BlackBerry exited hardware completely they will still need to patch and update software and do security patches for their Business and Government and consumer customers.
I get you love your Nexus which is awesome but we are on a BlackBerry forum talking about security which is what DTEK50 is all about.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?CerveloJohn likes this.07-28-16 12:19 PMLike 1 - https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en
Originally Posted by GoogleHow long your Nexus will get updates
After a certain period, Google can no longer guarantee that a device will get version updates or security patches.
Nexus devices receive:
Android version updates
For at least two years from when the device became available on the Google Store.
Security patches
For the longer of 3 years from availability or 18 months from when the Google Store last sold the device.07-28-16 12:22 PMLike 4 - Can you assure Nexus will continue to update 3 years from now?
Why are you trying to turn this into a OS update discussion? My whole post was about security! Most here won't hang on to their phones for 3 years. Maybe you will but regardless of that BlackBerry will continue devices for Businesses and Government and consumers that want them. PRIV and DTEK50 are on 6.01.
I guess the test will be when Nexus gets N update compared to PRIV / DTEK50.
Regardless, let's get back to security which is what BlackBerry is all about and as a security software rep I appreciate that.
You also need to separate software and hardware. Updates are software so even if BlackBerry exited hardware completely they will still need to patch and update software and do security patches for their Business and Government and consumer customers.
I get you love your Nexus which is awesome but we are on a BlackBerry forum talking about security which is what DTEK50 is all about.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?Mecca EL likes this.07-28-16 01:30 PMLike 1 - His original post said "No other Android hardware device does that or even comes close" and last time I checked the Nexus 6p IS an Android device so the original statement WAS made up and he has since corrected it, but, regardless I'm not here to argue with anyone, just correcting false statements. I get you guys like to defend Blackberry every way possible and I'm not knocking them, in fact I have had & still have almost every Blackberry ever made including the Priv and I will probably get the Dtek50 and for sure the Argon.Mecca EL likes this.07-28-16 01:41 PMLike 1
- Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
BlackBerry main security (Hardware root of trust) stands under, before the OS even start and relies on signatures that are injected into chips.
This is what is meant by "more secure" or "the most secure".
M brought some improvements on the granularity of (security/permissions) settings.
N should offer more, much more. BlackBerry will take profit of this, ahead of others.
And it's soon to happen. And of course, DTEK50 will support it.
So, it's not only about today, probably more about today AND tomorrow
I've just discussed 'N' with "somebody" at BlackBerry. And I feel he bite his tongue. What I read in his eyes (could be 8ball or tea leaves as well, please don't take this for a fact) is that we could have seen N on the DTEK50 at launch. At least what I believe, given the latest comments here and there is that they're really at it, not watching the passing train.dietertong likes this.07-28-16 01:51 PMLike 1 - Can you assure Nexus will continue to update 3 years from now?
Why are you trying to turn this into a OS update discussion? My whole post was about security! Most here won't hang on to their phones for 3 years. Maybe you will but regardless of that BlackBerry will continue devices for Businesses and Government and consumers that want them. PRIV and DTEK50 are on 6.01.
I guess the test will be when Nexus gets N update compared to PRIV / DTEK50.
Regardless, let's get back to security which is what BlackBerry is all about and as a security software rep I appreciate that.
You also need to separate software and hardware. Updates are software so even if BlackBerry exited hardware completely they will still need to patch and update software and do security patches for their Business and Government and consumer customers.
I get you love your Nexus which is awesome but we are on a BlackBerry forum talking about security which is what DTEK50 is all about.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?
What customers "needs" is not always what BlackBerry "provides" (where have you been?). If they exit hardware, then they'll wind down their support for devices. Just as I expect anyone buying a Passport, Classic or Leap this year will find out next year.
As for how long people keep phones... the average is now sitting at three years. For BlackBerry's customer base.. enterprise it is much longer than that I would imagine... friend of mine work at the local AFB, and he has a 9650 still. They have to think long and hard about make a switch to a platform.
I'm just pointing out that with Chen not committed to hardware... it's going to be a little harder for him to sell people on yet another platform. Especially if they have dealt with the BBOS, PlayBook OS and BB10 issues over the last four years.
For some it might come more down to who I can trust to be there in two or three years.... which is also a form of "security".
I am a fan of the Nexus line and how they do get updates for YEARS (don't own one). But to be honest I think Apple has a very secure product that will be updated through the life of most current devcies today. With Carrier pricing an iPhone SE can be had for free by most US enterprise customers, takes millions of dollars to crack into one and with the right EMM that might not even be possible....
The OP asked why buy a DTEK50... I'm just pointing out it will be a tougher sell than what some here think.Mecca EL likes this.07-28-16 01:57 PMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorWhy should you bother when you have facial or voice recognition ? It's available in the settings (M feature).Mecca EL likes this.07-28-16 02:23 PMLike 1
-
Edit: I just went into that screen and it says face matching is less secure than a pattern, pin or password so I guess it's still not very secure.07-28-16 03:33 PMLike 0 - You have an android phone - there is no privacy, if there was, King Google would not allow them to ship it. You might be able to dig into the settings and swap out apps to limit the information that it collects but out of the box this provides as much information to King Google as any other android device.
For any Blackberry Android phone, the extra security imo is about making it harder on criminals, hackers and malicious or ignorant app developers to misuse or steal your info.
Posted via CB1007-28-16 03:37 PMLike 0
- Forum
- Android BlackBerry Phones & OS
- BlackBerry DTEK50
BLACKBERRY DTEK50 is ALCATEL IDOL 4, why to buy BB ??
Similar Threads
-
DTEK50 fits in Leap leather pocket
By DB_Cooper in forum BlackBerry DTEK50Replies: 13Last Post: 08-19-16, 03:13 PM -
I returned my DTEK50 after multiple issues. Anybody else?
By Kamal5555 in forum Ask a QuestionReplies: 2Last Post: 08-18-16, 12:46 AM -
Blackberry Leap on MetroPCS?
By kronos1996 in forum General Carrier DiscussionReplies: 1Last Post: 08-17-16, 10:39 PM -
Is my DTEK50 really protected from/against the QuadRooter?
By Captain Kitchener in forum BlackBerry DTEK50Replies: 3Last Post: 08-17-16, 10:23 PM -
Windows 10 won't communicate with my BlackBerry Priv since the BlackBerry security upgrade
By CrackBerry Question in forum Ask a QuestionReplies: 0Last Post: 08-17-16, 07:38 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD