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Dear all,
as I said in title, please compare BB DTEK 50 with Alcatel Idol 4, where's the difference ?
Step further, why to buy BB then ? Because of its name ?
BB offers more security ? LOL
As a salesmen for years, I know that if you have some new product to sell/offer you have to outstand from competition. With DTEK as a feature BB is trying to do that, will they have any success ? Doubt that !!
This is not real BB, where's the physical keyboard. PKB is the only thing that makes BB different.
FIPS 140-2 Full Disk Encryption certification, dtek engine and hardware root of trust
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Many will agree with you. But since BB will have their name stamped on it, it will sell. But not too well.....
It seems this time it doesn't have BlackBerry name on the front and the back only has the logo. It might just sell better then most think.
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Differences in term of security... 3 gb of Ram instead of 2 for the idol 4 and all BlackBerry apps
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I would also prefer DTEK50 to other Android phones due to the bundled BlackBerry applications. Not to mention about BlackBerry Hub and BlackBerry Virtual keyboard.
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The idol 4 does come with 3gb of ram. Plus all the "security " dtek" brings are already available in marshmallow they jus made a nice interface for it.
And I hear the idol gonna start @$200 given wen can side load almost all bb apps without even rooting I don't think it'll sell that well.
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The DTEK app is not the only security feature. They've hardened the OS, including kernel.
And they've locked down the bootloader as well.
If these features are not important, then obviously it makes more sense to buy the Idol 4. The DTEK50 is for people who want these security features on a lower cost device.
Why don't you just spend some minutes and watch the videos about this phone instead wondering in the jungle! In simple words if you rip the Dteck into pieces you can't take any data from the phone. While you can hack an alcatel phone as easy as your head is beimg hacked with these ideas
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it's just rebranded with some upgrade like memory slot, simcard slot support now nano and ,some extra ram better modification and of course they also did some protection layer on the chipset and they do have there own kernel protection root and os. This is maybe you pay a little bit more for a stock rom BlackBerry protect os and ofcourse you pay that extra mile for a monthly update en ofcourse Android N in 8 months.
I still don't like Android, I still think it missed a good RGB led notification but when I saw the device and specs is looks average ,but yes it's a midpriced device. You pay that extra buck for privacy, security, control over your data and monthly update's and that's where other users from samsung ,LG and other brands are complaining about, you will get it for some 50 dollar extra but you get it.
It's not my idea of a BlackBerry but just pre-order one for the wife.
Monthly Security Patches and getting more than one update like most Android Manufacturers offer.
If you open up the back... it will probably say Alcatel
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better camera tuning? :)
But it's not the true BlackBerry Hub, there's no pinch to unread, and it doesn't have the app support for alerts like BlackBerry does.
The BlackBerry gesture experience is years ahead of Android. They will never have a better os by sticking some BlackBerry apps on Android and securing it. The true benefit was using bb10 and finding a way to register with Android to get the Google play experience for app support. That would be better in my opinion, which I know does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
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Blackberry Hub on Android has come a long way. It has added many features including pinch to unread. You can even access the hub by swiping up and to the right from the Android home button, which is available in any app.
I know it's not exactly like BB10 but overall I'm pretty impressed with Blackberry flavoured Android. I might replace my z30 with the DTEK50.
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Yes, most of the hardware is same as idol 4 but this is what you get beyond that. Research!
1. BlackBerry Productivity Suite of apps (Hub, calendar, contacts, tasks, notes, VKB like no other, and all integrated. They will be updated monthly on DTEK50 / PRIV. For those stealing the patched version, good luck keeping them up to date.
2. Monthly security updates. No other Android hardware device sand maybe Nexus does that or even comes close. As a security software person this is very important!
3. DTEK, not only a nice easy to use UI but it actually monitors and notifies you of apps accessing your phone and location etc. Who else does that?
4. Not rootable. Any other Android devices say that? That is added security.
These 4 important software add-ons are very valuable and worth it.
If you don't care about your personal information on your G4 bloatware non secured phone then move on and don't bash here.
Maybe read the verge review? Know your facts prior to complaining about a device not even on the street yet.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?
Hardened OS...locked bootloader
What do these do for the end user? What kinds of things happen to other phones that wouldn't happen because of these security features.
Honest questions, not trying to troll. I'm a neophyte on cyber security. I've always had a bbry because first, I liked the keyboard, then I really liked bb10. From 8300 to 9700 to 9810 to z10 to passport...maybe that's why I don't appreciate these things? Bc I've never known differnt?
Tia
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Pinch to unread is demoed in the BBC preview (about 4 seconds in),
Blackberry battles on with Dtek50 Android phone - BBC News
It means if someone steals your phone it will be much more difficult for them to access your personal info. It means when the next Android malware scare comes, your device might not be vulnerable. In an age where every app and every ad agency wants access to consumers data, I'm glad Blackberry has created software with privacy and security in mind. They've created a device that is more difficult to hack and gives users more control over the apps on their phone. The Blackberry webcast is pretty informative, if a little dull at times. Blackberry also lists technical details on their blog.
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The only real criticism I can throw at this device is no finger print scanner. But for the price I guess it's acceptable.
I don't know about this one. I'm on the fence.
I got my priv but for a 2nd handset and just to keep blackberry alive, I think il spend the money to own one and see what's it about.
Huh? Both my Nexus 6 and Nexus 6p gets monthly security updates not to mention major O/S updates as soon as they're available while the Priv and Dtek50 will have to wait months or longer. I'm not disagreeing with you on the value added software and security hardware but come on, let's not try and make things up.
I was wondering, is there any specific optimization that you need to perform manually for every new device that comes out or the app code is "universal" and can be moved between devices quite easily?
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Chen destroyed this company. I can't even listen to him speaking, he is a terrible speaker. During his rule of BB he never talked about positive sides, he always focused on the BB being near failure. That's a terrible thing to hear, being a customer or an invester. How did he become a CEO??
Now this move with absurdly called DTEK50 proves this guy is completely crazy. Maybe Alcatel should buy them and finish this torture?
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You can of course expect a Google device to be updated first. Every other Android device can not expect this, except for the Priv and now DTEK50. No other OEM does 0-day patching, he didn't make it up.
LOL
Yep.... first of all, I don't think walking around with an Alcatel branded phone has the same appeal as a BlackBerry one. Second, the "improved" look is much nicer. And third, just re-read the post above... :-) but if you want to keep side loading BlackBerry apps and don't mind other look&feel issues, be my guest and get an Alcatel version or whatever you prefer as an Android phone....
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I agree with the name. It is quite stupid. Sounds more like an internal development codename. I don't get some of the logic. And they keep positioning it as it is the very first Android phone they released.. like the Priv was never done.... funny
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The spec is identical to the idol 4, there are no upgrades - as for the chipset production, that doesn't represent any modification either, it's just software keys using native features of the chipset. As far as I can tell, most OEMs don't bother simply consumers perceive no value so it's a cost with no upside.
Who really is in 2016 with a modern phone? When you dig into these malware stories they tend to be in a) china or b) situations where people turn off protection to sideload apps.
You have an android phone - there is no privacy, if there was, King Google would not allow them to ship it. You might be able to dig into the settings and swap out apps to limit the information that it collects but out of the box this provides as much information to King Google as any other android device.In an age where every app and every ad agency wants access to consumers data, I'm glad Blackberry has created software with privacy and security in mind.
Than go and buy iPhone or whatever else you want.
BlackBerry Android devices get monthly security patches on time,
Beating Expectations: Android Security Patching for PRIV | Inside BlackBerry
According to spec sheets, the DTEK50 can accept higher capacity memory cards (2 TB vs 512 GB), I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware change.
Alcatel Idol 4 specs
DTEK50 Specs ? Specifications for Android BlackBerry Smartphone - Canada
TCL.
The idol 4 is 0.2 Ghz faster! Woow!!!
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Well, I guess this is Chen demonstrating that BlackBerry is a software company. Snatch a phone from the market, in some apps and software, then sell it for a hundred bucks more. So basically one would be buying an Alcatel hardware and BlackBerry software at the same time, all in one package.
BTW, some die-hard BlackBerry fans whom I know have called it the Kotex. Such a nice and handy pad.
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It's an iterative tuning process that typically takes around 4 months. First you tune to a reference starting point for a few weeks, and then we run iterations which involve making fine tuning adjustments, followed by as wide of an alpha-test audience (a bunch of people go off and take hundreds of photos), then we aggregate all of the results, evaluate, and make further adjustments. It's challenging, because there are thousands of knobs to tweak, and adjusting one may throw off the performance of many others.
If we reuse camera sensors or flashes, etc. between devices, we can accelerate this, but with chipset changes, the internal image processing pipes often change in nontrivial ways, and we have to more or less start over.
This isn't necessarily in our camera app (a few things are), but down in the drivers and other OS components.
It is
http://www.alcatel-mobile.com/smartphones/idol4-4s/
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I rather trust Qualcomm.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...processors/617
It maxes out at 1.5GHz.
it looks like alcatel makes 3 idol4's w/ different specs.
idol4 + 4s w/ 3GB ram ea, w/ 4S having more storage
Alcatel mobile | Global - IDOL 4/4s - Smartphones
and an idol4 for cricket w/ 2GB ram.
Alcatel | IDOL 4 VR Smartphone for Cricket | Buy Now
I corrected prior statement to include Nexus but.....
Are you saying PRIV and now DTEK50 won't get security updates the day that Google releases them? "Zero day as in news release two days ago?. Nexus may be the only exception to this for patches. We are talking about security here not a major OS update. Last I checked PRIV is on MM as well as DTEK50. Same as Nexus.
PRIV and DTEK50 are way more secure than Nexus 6P and will be as long as you are able to root the Nexus device. None of this is made up.
Going from PRIV > DTEK50 > Argon?
Pure software or to be more precise licensing. The hardware nowadays is all capable to support up to 2 TB you just need to license filesystem **** from Microsoft to be able to tell others that you can use 2 TB.According to spec sheets, the DTEK50 can accept higher capacity memory cards (2 TB vs 512 GB), I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware change.
I have a Jolla C device officially saying only supporting 32 GB. The reason they just did not want to pay Microsoft license fees for exfat. I put in a 128 GB micro-SD card with ext4 formatted and it works flawlessly.