You're paying $250 extra for a track pad and tool belt
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Perhaps wait a while for the price to drop (like the Q10 price did)
$50????? Seriously, you're basing this on $50? Gosh, just wait for a sale or something. To be honest....you don't get it. For those people that desperately want the features you just mentioned, they don't care about another $50. This is something you live with every day.12-14-14 08:11 AMLike 0 - I don't know that we have all the details on the classic yet to have an accurate debate.
I do have an opinion on why people are preordering this and not buying the $199 q10 though. Blackberry do seem to better at knowing their market. A bigger, better screen along with the belt, killer battery a significantly better camera.
Posted via CB1012-14-14 08:30 AMLike 0 - Somehow, I don't know why, truely, I hate people using Chen word "our focusis enterprise"
Yes, it's true, but BlackBerry still sell and have a consumer market.
Everytime some people complain about lack of native app, no free video group call, etc etc, the defense always "focus on enterprise"
Do not use that reason UNLESS BlackBerry stop selling their handset on RETAIL.
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Xenolock likes this.12-14-14 08:30 AMLike 1 - Spoken like a person who has never used the tool belt or trackpad, OP. For someone who's busy, having all that functionality is worth a lot more than $250.
As much as I like my Passport, I'm tempted by the Classic because I remember how useful the trackpad was for text selection, web browsing and even gaming. The other buttons on the belt are real time savers as well. I'd love to see what they've done with the belt + BB10. But I probably won't be getting the Classic.12-14-14 08:33 AMLike 0 -
- When people read posts that compare an Iphone 5 with an Iphone 6 price, and then claim that the post was about a comparison of a BlackBerry to an Iphone..........I can't stop myself from laughing.12-14-14 08:48 AMLike 0
- OP, you forgot to mention that you're also paying for OS development cost. You think they do that for free??? You live in a fantasy world buddyponpiri and Bluenoser63 like this.12-14-14 08:53 AMLike 2
- Why? It's obvious that IS the reason. They don't advertise to consumers. At all. They are barely visible in phone stores. But, if you know they exist and want one...of course you can still buy one retail if you want. That doesn't mean they are focusing on the consumer/sheep market.
Posted via CB10Maxxxpower likes this.12-14-14 09:08 AMLike 1 - Bobshine, you forgot to mention, that when buying a Q10 for 250 less, you're paying the OS development, too. Do you life in a fantasy world, buddy?12-14-14 09:08 AMLike 0
- As I said, unless blackberry not selling any device on retail market, then people won't complaining. Otherwise They have responsibility to take care of consumer demand as well. Not just simply say "hey, that's not my problem, i'm focusing on enterprise, so live with it". Or you are implying that blackberry don't have that kind of responsibility?
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Posted via CB1012-14-14 09:14 AMLike 0 - The Q10 was being sold on the blackberry website recently for $199, it shares almost all the same components of the Classic besides the outward appearance. So now that is it priced at $450 we are essentially paying $250 for;
- slightly bigger sized phone
- track pad and tool belt (prob costs $2-3 bucks wholesale to add to the phone)
- slightly different material on the back
- marketing which makes people stupid and helps them justify paying $250 additional dollars for a track pad. As much as I want to like the Classic I can't justify it at that price point and the fact the track pad doesn't light up and they call it a classic when the best selling phone and most legendary model is the Bold 9900 which has a track pad that lights up yet this one doesn't and it gets the Classic name justification? Bad call Blackberry.
I'm hoping an updated model of this phone gets released and I will only get it when it drops into the $200-300 dollar range because getting it any higher is just plain stupid once you run a pro/con analysis of what the phone is compared to the Q10.
You can keep your q10 and save money.
Posted via CB1012-14-14 09:18 AMLike 0 -
The phone is obviously designed to replace the 9900, which is mostly still in use in enterprise. Which part are you having a problem with?zmsox likes this.12-14-14 09:20 AMLike 1 -
Dude, there seem to be users who would like to replace their Q10s with a more powerful phone that is not as fat as a Passport. Do you get that?12-14-14 09:22 AMLike 0 -
You can decide what you want to do. Buy it or leave it.
When the q10 was launched, the phone costed 500eur. Now we have atwo years old phone which costs 200eur and a brand new one which costs 400eur
Posted via CB1012-14-14 09:26 AMLike 0 -
Yes I can. And I can complain about the low specs and the high price because you're not the guy who can tell others what they can post or not.
...and the brand new one has nearly the same hardware. That's all the OP is expressing. What's your problem with that?12-14-14 09:29 AMLike 0 - When buying a Classic for $450 you pay $250 more than for the Q10 (once). That's 250 bucks for a device that has just a few improvements of which some users think that they are not worth $250. "250 bucks for a toolbelt" is a summary of that situation which is a bit exaggerated but sums up the criticism of certain users in a headline of a thread.12-14-14 09:42 AMLike 0
- The OP forgot that it took a year's worth of R&D and testing of the software to get this phone to where it is today with software development specifically for the belt and track pad, not to mention all the costs involved in certification (UL, CE, etc) of a phone. Just because BlackBerry lowered the price of the Q10 to $200 to clear it out (which by the way they sold out and haven't been selling in forever because I've been looking every day trying to buy one) doesn't mean that's what you price a brand new phone at. People really need to think before creating ridiculous threads like this because it makes you look very foolish.
When buying a Classic for $450 you pay $250 more than for the Q10 (once). That's 250 bucks for a device that has just a few improvements of which some users think that they are not worth $250. "250 bucks for a toolbelt" is a summary of that situation which is a bit exaggerated but sums up the criticism of certain users in a headline of a thread.12-14-14 09:44 AMLike 3 - On the whole smartphone market there are only two devices that are really 100% comparable to the Classic because of the "classic Blackberry layout". Q10 and Q5. Of course, the new device has to face these comparisons - with regard to costs and specs. That comparison is not ridiculous at all, because a thread like "You're paying $200 extra for a track pad and tool belt" wouldn't change a lot.12-14-14 09:48 AMLike 0
- One the whole smartphone market there are only two devices that are really 100% comparable to the Classic because of the "classic Blackberry layout". Q10 and Q5. Of course, the new device has to face these comparisons - with regard to costs and specs. That comparison is not ridiculous at all, because a thread like "You're paying $200 extra for a track pad and tool belt" wouldn't change a lot.12-14-14 09:53 AMLike 0
- @dvarnai: Just because you think that they're not comparable doesn't prevent others from comparing them because they think that they can be compared.
@Alain_A: That doesn't change the fact that some Q10 users would like to replace their devices, too.12-14-14 09:59 AMLike 0 - Clearly English is not your native language here so I really can't decipher what you're trying to say. Perhaps try again?
Do not have WHAT responsibility? Specifically?
The phone is obviously designed to replace the 9900, which is mostly still in use in enterprise. Which part are you having a problem with?
But for now, Consumer market still exist in blackberry portfolio, and they still sell their handset on consumer market. They promoting pre-order on consumer market. They even put silly videoa advertisement about that brick game. But why use reason "focusing on enterprise"?
Responsibility to provide good ecosytem for their native app.
I'm complaining because I still use blackberry, I love the hub, I love the OS, I love the handset quality, I love the keypad, and I still want to use it for a long time. And I think, as consumer who buy their handset, have a right to express my hope and demand. But some people just keep saying "focusing on enterprises" as a reason. So annoyed with that reason, as if consumer market does not mean anything for blackberry.
That's what I meant by responsibility and care
Posted via CB1012-14-14 10:03 AMLike 0 -
1. software - you cant just look at the code that got added for the classic, you have to pay for bb10 itself
2. software updates - the actual code that got added in order to support the new trackpad, hardware buttons, also the modifications made to stock apps to support the trackpad
3. hardware upgrades - even though they are not a new cpu or memory, theres still a new paratek antenna, slimport, bigger battery, bigger lcd screen (even though same resolution), trackpad, hardware buttons
4. r&d - you have to set up a new manufacturing line, make a new design, come up with the hardware. its not like lego, you cant just put the components on a motherboard...
5. marketing - yes, there is marketing. the education of the clerks costs money too
you are just trying to make blackberry look bad, because you have no idea about the costs of a phone. its not just the hardware they are selling, theres a lot more to it. if you produce 1 million phones and only half of them are sold, then you have to put up with the losses and make the best out of it, eg. sell them at a price you are sure you can get rid of all of them to at least make some of the money back ($200 q10)
if you dont want to pay for the software itself, get an android phone. android phones are cheap because they only have to care about the hw. neither iphones, blackberry nor windows phones have high-end specs. the latest iphone has a great cpu, but lacks memory, microsd, huge battery and so on. passport has 3gbs of ram, a cpu comparable to the cpu of the iphone, microsd slot, huge battery, etc but still not the latest SoC you can get (noone cares how many cores really, benchmarks are comparable).12-14-14 10:21 AMLike 0
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