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  1. southlander's Avatar
    Yeah but would that be a problem? They would have a big seller then, finally.
    You're mis reading me. The Q20 selling well would not be the problem. The problem would be that the Q10 owners would feel like they now own the "experimental model". The one just before BlackBerry got it right.

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    02-28-14 11:38 PM
  2. anon5759238's Avatar
    The track pad us still the best for copy and paste. The touch screen one can be a pain in the rear sometimes

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    02-28-14 11:40 PM
  3. Anilu7's Avatar
    It's good to see healthy debate among fellow BlackBerry users. It is useless, even detrimental, to all of us to be hating on each other and a phone because we're either afraid of BlackBerry looking like it's bringing out another BBOS phone, or that people might laugh at us, or...what is it that is bringing out the hate?? It's. A. BlackBerry. One of us. I use a Q10 and a Z10 although prefer the Q10. Do I hate on Z30 or Q5 users or phones? No - that would be silly. So those of you who don't want the Q20 don't buy it. Buy what you like - there will be a BlackBerry that you will prefer. The lack of trackpad was one of the biggest disappointments for me when the Z10 and Q10 specs were leaked. A year later I still miss it. End result - I'll have what I want and you buy what you want. Easy. And no-one gets hurt.
    02-28-14 11:40 PM
  4. Anilu7's Avatar
    You're mis reading me. The Q20 selling well would not be the problem. The problem would be that the Q10 owners would feel like they now own the "experimental model". The one just before BlackBerry got it right.

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    As a Z10 owner, I sometimes feel this way about the Z30.
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    02-28-14 11:42 PM
  5. southlander's Avatar
    As a Z10 owner, I sometimes feel this way about the Z30.
    That's my exact point. Of course most Z10 owners wish they had a Z30. I do. Yeah some folks just don't want that big a phone but other than size preference there's really no reason to functionally prefer the Z10 over the Z30.

    But putting the buttons and track pad back on the qwerty phones is a much larger difference. It's like a whole change in the use philosophy. So to speak.

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    02-28-14 11:50 PM
  6. slagman5's Avatar
    You're mis reading me. The Q20 selling well would not be the problem. The problem would be that the Q10 owners would feel like they now own the "experimental model". The one just before BlackBerry got it right.

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    It's been a year almost. That's normal for mobile phones. That reasoning is like saying Samsung shouldn't release a Galaxy S5 that is better than the S4 with the fear that owners of the S4 will feel robbed or something...
    02-28-14 11:53 PM
  7. slagman5's Avatar
    It's good to see healthy debate among fellow BlackBerry users. It is useless, even detrimental, to all of us to be hating on each other and a phone because we're either afraid of BlackBerry looking like it's bringing out another BBOS phone, or that people might laugh at us, or...what is it that is bringing out the hate?? It's. A. BlackBerry. One of us. I use a Q10 and a Z10 although prefer the Q10. Do I hate on Z30 or Q5 users or phones? No - that would be silly. So those of you who don't want the Q20 don't buy it. Buy what you like - there will be a BlackBerry that you will prefer. The lack of trackpad was one of the biggest disappointments for me when the Z10 and Q10 specs were leaked. A year later I still miss it. End result - I'll have what I want and you buy what you want. Easy. And no-one gets hurt.
    Amazing how such a simple idea seems so hard for some people to understand...
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    02-28-14 11:55 PM
  8. slagman5's Avatar
    That's my exact point. Of course most Z10 owners wish they had a Z30. I do. Yeah some folks just don't want that big a phone but other than size preference there's really no reason to functionally prefer the Z10 over the Z30.

    But putting the buttons and track pad back on the qwerty phones is a much larger difference. It's like a whole change in the use philosophy. So to speak.

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    Except they will also release a qwerty without the track pad...
    02-28-14 11:56 PM
  9. southlander's Avatar
    It's been a year almost. That's normal for mobile phones. That reasoning is like saying Samsung shouldn't release a Galaxy S5 that is better than the S4 with the fear that owners of the S4 will feel robbed or something...
    Not quite. It's more like saying if the S5 all of a sudden had a physical keyboard and outsold the S4 by a factor of 10 to 1 then the S4 owners would feel like they missed out. Crazy analogy. Yeah.

    You get the idea. With BlackBerry adding "the belt" it feels like they are admitting a mistake in a sense.

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    02-28-14 11:56 PM
  10. slagman5's Avatar
    Not quite. It's more like saying if the S5 all of a sudden had a physical keyboard and outsold the S4 by a factor of 10 to 1 then the S4 owners would feel like they missed out. Crazy analogy. Yeah.

    You get the idea. With BlackBerry adding "the belt" it feels like they are admitting a mistake in a sense.

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    Or if they released a new phone with a much larger screen and a stylus to help get work done... Oh wait, they did that too...
    03-01-14 12:12 AM
  11. Omnitech's Avatar
    With BlackBerry adding "the belt" it feels like they are admitting a mistake in a sense.

    Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, per-se.

    The real issues for me - and this is from a person that would actually consider owning a Q20 - are:

    • Does the potential revenue justify the cost of designing and producing it?
    • Does it undermine the company's platform message going forward?
    • Is it worth more to the company in terms of direct sales and impact on the company's reputation and platform message than simply producing a truly killer all-touchscreen model that would likely have a vastly broader mainstream appeal? (Does it siphon corporate resources away from such a potentially much more popular product?)
    • Will it be another half-*ssed product that, for example, has such poor OS support that the potential benefits of the buttons and trackpad are squandered?
    • Will it be another highly-delayed product that misses its marketing window of opportunity?
    • Will its hardware spec be hopelessly outdated the day it becomes available?
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    03-01-14 12:18 AM
  12. southlander's Avatar
    Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, per-se.
    They really have no choice but to listen to their critics IF the products are not selling. I feel Chens language -- "it remains to be seen if BlackBerry should continue making handsets" to paraphrase , is indicative that a return to the classic hardware form factor is sort of a last ditch effort to find something that resonates with the core BlackBerry users.

    I agree with all your points by the way. I to will consider buying the Q20.

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    03-01-14 12:48 AM
  13. Daniel Montanaro's Avatar
    I welcome it, but only because many people have tried the q10 and could not get used to it. All of us enthusiasts love it, but the fact is BB10 didn't sell well. Why? Poor adoption due to a bit of a learning curve to use, lack of education by BlackBerry and yes, poor marketing. If BlackBerry will make a phone that allows more of the general public to operate comfortably, then why not?

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    03-01-14 01:03 AM
  14. Paul Callahan's Avatar
    Lol.. re: tool / toolbelt.. yeah I've never heard it before until now..

    Posted from my Q10 (TMobile) Running OS 10.2.1.2102 as of 2.14.2014!
    03-01-14 01:31 AM
  15. southlander's Avatar
    Except they will also release a qwerty without the track pad...
    Well that indeed IS the big question. I do not think they've committed to that though right? All we know is Q20 and Z3 at this point.
    03-01-14 02:01 AM
  16. JAS0NB0URNE's Avatar
    Well that indeed IS the big question. I do not think they've committed to that though right? All we know is Q20 and Z3 at this point.
    They have committed to that. The qwerty phones with a trackpad and function keys is starting a new family of BlackBerry 10 phones.

    Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.
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    03-01-14 02:20 AM
  17. slagman5's Avatar
    Well that indeed IS the big question. I do not think they've committed to that though right? All we know is Q20 and Z3 at this point.
    Um, yes, they have... They've clearly made the distinction between this as being a new line they will call the "Classic" line, which means the non-"classic" line will not have the track pad and the buttons...
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    03-01-14 02:24 AM
  18. gnirkatto's Avatar
    You're mis reading me. The Q20 selling well would not be the problem. The problem would be that the Q10 owners would feel like they now own the "experimental model". The one just before BlackBerry got it right.

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    Come on, you can't be serious.
    Who will get upset about a vendor releasing a successor (or let's call it "alternative") with more/different/enhanced features, more than one year after the current device got released. And, the "genuine" BB10 models will also be continued, as was stated clearly.
    Pete The Penguin likes this.
    03-01-14 06:25 AM
  19. anon(5061193)'s Avatar
    I think it is a good marketing move... Blackberry has millions of people holding on to the legacy devices and this will get many of them to move to BB10... It gives options for people, something for everyone... A full line of Blackberry's to meet the needs and wants of a wider customer base... If you don't like it, don't buy it!! stick with the Z10 or Z30 or whatever the next one is..... I think it is a great business move
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    03-01-14 06:32 AM
  20. CrackberryQ's Avatar
    The belt would be great if the track pad is used as a finger print thingy and the rest is capacitive touch programmable buttons

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    03-01-14 06:39 AM
  21. carrollmikej's Avatar
    Z50..are you kidding? Tapping on glass and mutilple gestures to accomplish what a simple click of a keyboard does? No thanks. I'll wait for the Q20.
    I can't wait for the 20. Even though I will be between contracts I will probably buy one outright.

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    03-01-14 06:41 AM
  22. anon(5061193)'s Avatar
    I can't wait for the 20. Even though I will be between contracts I will probably buy one outright.

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    I'm with you.. I think this is great..
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    03-01-14 06:47 AM
  23. waterfrontmgmt's Avatar
    This makes no sense. And by the time the 20 comes out, it will be well over a year since the 10 came out. And there will be other keyboard phones with the belt coming too. This argument is nuts.
    Not quite. It's more like saying if the S5 all of a sudden had a physical keyboard and outsold the S4 by a factor of 10 to 1 then the S4 owners would feel like they missed out. Crazy analogy. Yeah.

    You get the idea. With BlackBerry adding "the belt" it feels like they are admitting a mistake in a sense.

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    03-01-14 09:00 AM
  24. tdaye's Avatar
    Thanks for your constructive contribution to this discussion.

    SQN100-3; 10.2.1.2102
    Anytime

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    03-01-14 10:16 AM
  25. alpha beta gaga's Avatar
    You're mis reading me. The Q20 selling well would not be the problem. The problem would be that the Q10 owners would feel like they now own the "experimental model". The one just before BlackBerry got it right.

    Z10STL100-4/10.2.1.2141
    ok this is exactly how i feel. just as i was 'getting used' to life post trackpad (9900) and accepting the trackpad-less q10 as the 'future', we get the annoucement the trackpad q20 is now the future. feel kinda bummed actually. luckily i have just yesterday returned my 2nd 350 q10 for a full refund before the return period ran out.

    i love bb10 os and it's dark theme. and i love feeling like i am holding a phone rather than a slab in my hand. and if the q20 is gonna be of the same premium rock solid build quality of the q10, then i'm in
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    03-01-14 10:46 AM
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