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  1. bungaboy's Avatar
    Better Ram by itself won't do miracles, and even a SSD just means read times will be faster, not processing times, and the price per gb for SSD is pretty high. I personally prefer normal hdd's simply because it's far too expensive to go SSD. And the capacities are much less as well.

    ?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
    I have no problems with a 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD and 16GB ram in my 2011 laptop.

    And doubling the RAM and installing a 256GB SSD in my cheap Acer Netbook has made it perform like a different machine.
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    12-06-14 03:30 PM
  2. kbz1960's Avatar
    I have no problems with a 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD and 16GB ram in my 2011 laptop.

    And doubling the RAM and installing a 256GB SSD in my cheap Acer Netbook has made it perform like a different machine.
    I bet. A ssd can do a lot for boot and loading times.
    12-06-14 04:46 PM
  3. slagman5's Avatar
    If you stream HD video or even 24/192 HD audio files, the speed of SSD matters. It all depends on what you need the device for.
    Well, my PC is my gaming machine, storage speeds are not THAT important since most resources are preloaded. Sure they would cut down on that loading time, but it's not a big deal for me. For me it's the GPU/CPU that are important. RAM is also important but that's something that once it hits "enough" any more will not really do you much good. I have 8GB of RAM in my PC. I know people with rigs with 16 or more, I haven't had an issue with not enough memory, so I'm good. I know other uses of the PC would demand more from different things, but for my uses, my set-up is good.

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    12-06-14 05:50 PM
  4. slagman5's Avatar
    I have no problems with a 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD and 16GB ram in my 2011 laptop.

    And doubling the RAM and installing a 256GB SSD in my cheap Acer Netbook has made it perform like a different machine.
    I have like 3 TB worth of total storage and actually thinking about adding another 3... or 4, lol.

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    12-06-14 05:51 PM
  5. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Today's "low" specs should have no issues running every day apps or browsing... if there's issues it's all on the ****ty software.

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    12-06-14 05:59 PM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    Just preordered Classic. GL 2 touchscreen users & NE future tyypos.
    Me too. Couldn't help myself for some reason.
    12-06-14 06:11 PM
  7. BigAl_BB9900's Avatar
    There seems to be this idea around here that people either fall into one of two categories.
    The first, is the "I don't even know what a ghz is"
    And the second, is the "I gotta keep up with the latest Samsung phone's specs or it's too slow".

    There are many of us who fall into neither camp
    We are the ones that realize that the latest and greatest specs are not ways needed to get work done. We realize that a phone, for most uses doesn't have to have a quad core CPU or 3 GB of RAM.

    On the other hand, we also know that a good experience with a phone needs more than merely the minimum system requirements.

    For an example, there are new Windows 8 devices that only have 1 GB of RAM.
    A knowledgeable consumer will know that that would be limiting. But that same knowledgeable consumer also knows that you can have a reliable PC that has less than 16 GB of RAM as well.
    We are the ones that want an adequate amount of specs to meet the needs of our devices.

    Posted via CB10
    I just care about the performance of the device - whether or not a really fast CPU, or lots of memory, is required to achieve that performance is not something I ever bother about.

    An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)
    12-06-14 07:38 PM
  8. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Today's "low" specs should have no issues running every day apps or browsing... if there's issues it's all on the ****ty software.

    Posted via CB10
    You ignore the price/performance ratio, longevity of the device and what the specs can handle in the future, while also forgetting that the future BlackBerry app catalogue will mostly be supported by Android apps.
    If you want good Android app performance, you'll need Android grade level of hardware. If that wasn't clear to BlackBerry, then they had no idea what they were starting with the Android runtime.

    I can buy a 200$ Android phone, that will perform very similar to (if not slightly better than) the Classic in regards to specs (except battery life) and app performance, while vastly outperforming it in terms of app catalogue and ecosystem.
    I could also buy a 300$ Android phone, and it'll just destroy the Classic, performance wise.

    It's not about making the browser and apps perform well enough, when the phone costs 450$...
    That's a concern for a 200$ phone.
    450$ is the price for a midrange phone, in ther higher tier of that range.
    Basically, it's the price for a phone that is just lacking enough to not be considered a high-end phone (ignoring local Android manufacturers), but definitely not the price for hardware from 2012...

    To be honest, the margins on the Classic have to be obscene. BlackBerry demands around 100% more for the Classic, than everyone else does, with something similarly specced.
    So, how should I say... I would be impressed and shocked, if the Classic actually becomes a success.
    12-06-14 08:05 PM
  9. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    I just care about the performance of the device - whether or not a really fast CPU, or lots of memory, is required to achieve that performance is not something I ever bother about.

    An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)
    Car analogies are bad, don't use them.

    What makes Lotus outstanding, is their ability to use 200HP engines and pack them in a 800KG light construction, therefore achieving a very good HP/KG ratio.

    BB10 isn't a light OS though.
    And since BB10 also needs to use the Android runtime for 90% of the commonly used apps, the OS gets even heavier.

    Compared to Lotus, who radically tried to save every single unnecessary gram of weight, BB10s approach is completely different.
    There's nothing light weight about the OS.
    What BlackBerry basically is doing, is taking a 2500KG car and giving it an engine that is barely strong enough to not struggle completely.
    While at the same time asking a similar amount of money, like a car manufacturer who would try to sell you a 2500KG car, with far more than enough power, at the same fuel economy and price.
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    12-06-14 08:19 PM
  10. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Car analogies are bad, don't use them.

    What makes Lotus outstanding, is their ability to use 200HP engines and pack them in a 800KG light construction, therefore achieving a very good HP/KG ratio.

    BB10 isn't a light OS though.
    And since BB10 also needs to use the Android runtime for 90% of the commonly used apps, the OS gets even heavier.

    Compared to Lotus, who radically tried to save every single unnecessary gram of weight, BB10s approach is completely different.
    There's nothing light weight about the OS.
    What BlackBerry basically is doing, is taking a 2500KG car and giving it an engine that is barely strong enough to not struggle completely.
    While at the same time asking a similar amount of money, like a car manufacturer who would try to sell you a 2500KG car, with far more than enough power, at the same fuel economy and price.
    The kernel itself is light weight not BB10. Linux is heavier than QNX.

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    12-06-14 08:25 PM
  11. slagman5's Avatar
    I just care about the performance of the device - whether or not a really fast CPU, or lots of memory, is required to achieve that performance is not something I ever bother about.

    An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)
    8 litre?? What was it, a Dodge Viper? I can't think of any other car with a 8-litre engine. And you're saying that your small engine car can out-accelerate a Dodge Viper? Awesome...
    12-06-14 11:56 PM
  12. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    There are many of us who fall into neither camp
    We are the ones that realize that the latest and greatest specs are not ways needed to get work done. We realize that a phone, for most uses doesn't have to have a quad core CPU or 3 GB of RAM.
    This would be my camp. I need my devices to work in a way that benefits me and be smooth. It's not always a case of "the latest and greatest specs".

    I've given the example before of my Kindle Fire HDX. Quad-core device with 2 GB of RAM and a gorgeous screen. More RAM and higher processors than my iPad Mini Retina. Yet, the Kindle constantly freezes, lags and becomes unresponsive in basic os functions and the iPad does not. For that matter, neither does my dual core Z10 in comparison.

    The lags have lessoned somewhat in terms of frequency with the Android 4.4 based Fire OS updates, but they are still there and recurring. And the lag is frustrating enough that I'm using the Kindle less and less for this reason.
    Last edited by RubberChicken76; 12-07-14 at 09:31 AM.
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    12-07-14 07:06 AM
  13. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    And since BB10 also needs to use the Android runtime for 90% of the commonly used apps
    Are you making up stats again?
    12-07-14 07:08 AM
  14. BigAl_BB9900's Avatar
    8 litre?? What was it, a Dodge Viper? I can't think of any other car with a 8-litre engine. And you're saying that your small engine car can out-accelerate a Dodge Viper? Awesome...
    Whatever the American monstrosity was (my friend spent 3 years building it from a kit......) - it accelerated extremely quickly in a straight-ish line, but wasn't very good at cornering....... (I know my friend hadn't done the best job in building it in the first place, as he had to send it off on a trailer to some motor-racing suspension specialists, who then had to strip it down, balance the suspension, and put it back together again..... it was better at driving in a straight line after this, and no longer felt like it was being driven on ice....)

    [Must point out about another friend's Lotus - that he races in the UK - I do find it excruciatingly painful to get in and out of, and drive....]
    Last edited by BigAl_BB9900; 12-07-14 at 07:13 AM. Reason: edit
    12-07-14 07:11 AM
  15. slagman5's Avatar
    Whatever the American monstrosity was (my friend spent 3 years building it from a kit......) - it accelerated extremely quickly in a straight-ish line, but wasn't very good at cornering....... (I know my friend hadn't done the best job in building it in the first place, as he had to send it off on a trailer to some motor-racing suspension specialists, who then had to strip it down, balance the suspension, and put it back together again..... it was better at driving in a straight line after this, and no longer felt like it was being driven on ice....)

    [Must point out about another friend's Lotus - that he races in the UK - I do find it excruciatingly painful to get in and out of, and drive....]
    Ok, so a kit car. Well, give a compound boosted Ford GT (supercharged and turbocharged, yes, at the same time) with its 5.4L V8 a try on the track. You'll never look at a small engine car ever again. I've driven a few of those, and once you get used to the driving style of a rear-wheel-drive supercar (adjusting oversteer in corners using the accelerator, etc), it is an absolute thrill and a dream to drive. It's mid-engine so the weight distribution is as close to 50/50 as you can get and it's extremely low to the ground, which minimizes body roll, so it turns extremely well, yet it has over 1200hp so in every straight you'll also overtake any other car in your way. Best of both worlds.

    Yes, I know now there are cars with crazy electronic gizmos to help with traction control and power ditribution that will likely mop the floor with the GT, but honestly, they are not as fun to drive. Take the new Porsche 918. 5.0L V8 AND a hybrid-drive electric system, working together to deliver over 800hp (but it's much better since torque is instant in electric motors). That thing is destroying lap time records in every track, but it has so many electronic things in it that keeps it from ever losing control, that it literally is really really easy to drive, and in a way, is less fun to drive... For me, pushing a car to it's borderline, and finding that borderline, where you're just on the edge of losing control and you feel it in the wheel just barely slipping, is actually the most fun thing about driving really fast cars, lol.

    But either way, even that car has a big engine. I'm not saying there are no good cars with small engines, I actually really enjoy driving Porsches and most of them, with the exception of the new 918, has small engines, but at the same time, there's nothing like the thrill of the big engine experience. Just the sound is orgasmic at times. My dream is to be able to drive like an old-school Ford GT40 MK I or MK II with the 7.0L V8 in them...

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    12-07-14 11:36 AM
  16. menshawy's Avatar
    GPU, pixel density, camera lens and connectivity e.g. DLNA and Miracast then nothing else matters for me

    My Z10/Z30 photography channel
    12-07-14 12:01 PM
  17. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    The kernel itself is light weight not BB10. Linux is heavier than QNX.

    Posted via CB10
    Did you forget the part where BB10 is QNX+Android?

    It should also be of note that what I said, has been said in the reference system of a car analogy. You can't take it word for word, if you change the reference system.

    Are you making up stats again?
    Again?!?!?!?!
    Yeah, that one was made up

    But in good faith, as my observations of what BlackBerry world offers, what apps I would have liked to use when I only had a BB10 device and how many people need to sideload from Snap/use the Amazon app store, I would say that the number isn't that wrong.
    (at least not for commonly used apps on other platforms)
    12-07-14 12:46 PM
  18. dale-c's Avatar
    There aren't two categories, you are backing yourself into a corner. There are many types of people, with different needs.

    I just want a smooth, stable experience, similar to the iPhone or newer Android versions. (4.2+)

    I do not want my phone to lag when I have 10+ tabs open, or have it randomly restart. It should not take a minute to boot up a phone.

    Specs matter to a point, they don't have to be the latest but they cannot be the same specs as older devices.
    I didn't say there were just two categories. I said there seems to be the idea on crackberry that you either want the latest and greatest or you don't care about specs. The whole point is that there are more kinds of people than that.

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    12-07-14 01:00 PM
  19. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    Again?!?!?!?!
    Yeah, that one was made up


    But in good faith, as my observations of what BlackBerry world offers, what apps I would have liked to use when I only had a BB10 device and how many people need to sideload from Snap/use the Amazon app store, I would say that the number isn't that wrong.
    (at least not for commonly used apps on other platforms)
    Looking at my own ratio, it's probably about 60% Blackberry 10 native, 40% Android at this point. In most cases, I don't have a choice but to grab the Android app, but I'm still generally native first.
    12-07-14 07:17 PM
  20. dale-c's Avatar
    I use native apps about 90% of the time but I have closer to 40% Andriod apps. The andriod apps I have aren't used as much, but they are still important to have.


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    12-08-14 09:05 AM
  21. idssteve's Avatar
    Good enough is good enough for me. BUT numbers sell droids. If the Classic had a chance of carving out a tiny part of that marketshare, "bragging rights" numbers wouldn't hurt, IMO.
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    12-08-14 12:46 PM
  22. dale-c's Avatar
    Good enough is good enough for me. BUT numbers sell droids. If the Classic had a chance of carving out a tiny part of that marketshare, "bragging rights" numbers wouldn't hurt, IMO.
    I don't want bragging rights with specs. That would cost too much. If I wanted bragging rights I would get a passport.

    I just want something to last a bit. Z30 specs would suffice.

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    12-08-14 03:35 PM
  23. idssteve's Avatar
    I don't want bragging rights with specs. That would cost too much. If I wanted bragging rights I would get a passport.

    I just want something to last a bit. Z30 specs would suffice.

    Posted via CB10
    Yeah, i myself couldn't care less about bragging rights either. Playing that game is essential for success in some markets, though. Something BB's going to recon with if they ever plan to succeed in the "consumer market", IMO.
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    12-08-14 05:57 PM
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