- Better Ram by itself won't do miracles, and even a SSD just means read times will be faster, not processing times, and the price per gb for SSD is pretty high. I personally prefer normal hdd's simply because it's far too expensive to go SSD. And the capacities are much less as well.
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And doubling the RAM and installing a 256GB SSD in my cheap Acer Netbook has made it perform like a different machine.kbz1960 likes this.12-06-14 03:30 PMLike 1 -
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?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1012-06-14 05:51 PMLike 0 - Today's "low" specs should have no issues running every day apps or browsing... if there's issues it's all on the ****ty software.
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- There seems to be this idea around here that people either fall into one of two categories.
The first, is the "I don't even know what a ghz is"
And the second, is the "I gotta keep up with the latest Samsung phone's specs or it's too slow".
There are many of us who fall into neither camp
We are the ones that realize that the latest and greatest specs are not ways needed to get work done. We realize that a phone, for most uses doesn't have to have a quad core CPU or 3 GB of RAM.
On the other hand, we also know that a good experience with a phone needs more than merely the minimum system requirements.
For an example, there are new Windows 8 devices that only have 1 GB of RAM.
A knowledgeable consumer will know that that would be limiting. But that same knowledgeable consumer also knows that you can have a reliable PC that has less than 16 GB of RAM as well.
We are the ones that want an adequate amount of specs to meet the needs of our devices.
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An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)12-06-14 07:38 PMLike 0 -
If you want good Android app performance, you'll need Android grade level of hardware. If that wasn't clear to BlackBerry, then they had no idea what they were starting with the Android runtime.
I can buy a 200$ Android phone, that will perform very similar to (if not slightly better than) the Classic in regards to specs (except battery life) and app performance, while vastly outperforming it in terms of app catalogue and ecosystem.
I could also buy a 300$ Android phone, and it'll just destroy the Classic, performance wise.
It's not about making the browser and apps perform well enough, when the phone costs 450$...
That's a concern for a 200$ phone.
450$ is the price for a midrange phone, in ther higher tier of that range.
Basically, it's the price for a phone that is just lacking enough to not be considered a high-end phone (ignoring local Android manufacturers), but definitely not the price for hardware from 2012...
To be honest, the margins on the Classic have to be obscene. BlackBerry demands around 100% more for the Classic, than everyone else does, with something similarly specced.
So, how should I say... I would be impressed and shocked, if the Classic actually becomes a success.12-06-14 08:05 PMLike 0 - I just care about the performance of the device - whether or not a really fast CPU, or lots of memory, is required to achieve that performance is not something I ever bother about.
An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)
What makes Lotus outstanding, is their ability to use 200HP engines and pack them in a 800KG light construction, therefore achieving a very good HP/KG ratio.
BB10 isn't a light OS though.
And since BB10 also needs to use the Android runtime for 90% of the commonly used apps, the OS gets even heavier.
Compared to Lotus, who radically tried to save every single unnecessary gram of weight, BB10s approach is completely different.
There's nothing light weight about the OS.
What BlackBerry basically is doing, is taking a 2500KG car and giving it an engine that is barely strong enough to not struggle completely.
While at the same time asking a similar amount of money, like a car manufacturer who would try to sell you a 2500KG car, with far more than enough power, at the same fuel economy and price.aha likes this.12-06-14 08:19 PMLike 1 - Car analogies are bad, don't use them.
What makes Lotus outstanding, is their ability to use 200HP engines and pack them in a 800KG light construction, therefore achieving a very good HP/KG ratio.
BB10 isn't a light OS though.
And since BB10 also needs to use the Android runtime for 90% of the commonly used apps, the OS gets even heavier.
Compared to Lotus, who radically tried to save every single unnecessary gram of weight, BB10s approach is completely different.
There's nothing light weight about the OS.
What BlackBerry basically is doing, is taking a 2500KG car and giving it an engine that is barely strong enough to not struggle completely.
While at the same time asking a similar amount of money, like a car manufacturer who would try to sell you a 2500KG car, with far more than enough power, at the same fuel economy and price.
Posted via CB1012-06-14 08:25 PMLike 0 - I just care about the performance of the device - whether or not a really fast CPU, or lots of memory, is required to achieve that performance is not something I ever bother about.
An optimised OS with a slow CPU can outperform an non-optimised OS with a fast CPU. To use a car analogy, Lotus would be the optimised OS with a much slower CPU (eg a fast accelerating car, with great cornering, but actually a very small engine.... vs the 8 litre monstrosity I drove in the US a few years ago....)12-06-14 11:56 PMLike 0 -
I've given the example before of my Kindle Fire HDX. Quad-core device with 2 GB of RAM and a gorgeous screen. More RAM and higher processors than my iPad Mini Retina. Yet, the Kindle constantly freezes, lags and becomes unresponsive in basic os functions and the iPad does not. For that matter, neither does my dual core Z10 in comparison.
The lags have lessoned somewhat in terms of frequency with the Android 4.4 based Fire OS updates, but they are still there and recurring. And the lag is frustrating enough that I'm using the Kindle less and less for this reason.Last edited by RubberChicken76; 12-07-14 at 09:31 AM.
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[Must point out about another friend's Lotus - that he races in the UK - I do find it excruciatingly painful to get in and out of, and drive....]Last edited by BigAl_BB9900; 12-07-14 at 07:13 AM. Reason: edit
12-07-14 07:11 AMLike 0 - Whatever the American monstrosity was (my friend spent 3 years building it from a kit......) - it accelerated extremely quickly in a straight-ish line, but wasn't very good at cornering....... (I know my friend hadn't done the best job in building it in the first place, as he had to send it off on a trailer to some motor-racing suspension specialists, who then had to strip it down, balance the suspension, and put it back together again..... it was better at driving in a straight line after this, and no longer felt like it was being driven on ice....)
[Must point out about another friend's Lotus - that he races in the UK - I do find it excruciatingly painful to get in and out of, and drive....]
Yes, I know now there are cars with crazy electronic gizmos to help with traction control and power ditribution that will likely mop the floor with the GT, but honestly, they are not as fun to drive. Take the new Porsche 918. 5.0L V8 AND a hybrid-drive electric system, working together to deliver over 800hp (but it's much better since torque is instant in electric motors). That thing is destroying lap time records in every track, but it has so many electronic things in it that keeps it from ever losing control, that it literally is really really easy to drive, and in a way, is less fun to drive... For me, pushing a car to it's borderline, and finding that borderline, where you're just on the edge of losing control and you feel it in the wheel just barely slipping, is actually the most fun thing about driving really fast cars, lol.
But either way, even that car has a big engine. I'm not saying there are no good cars with small engines, I actually really enjoy driving Porsches and most of them, with the exception of the new 918, has small engines, but at the same time, there's nothing like the thrill of the big engine experience. Just the sound is orgasmic at times. My dream is to be able to drive like an old-school Ford GT40 MK I or MK II with the 7.0L V8 in them...
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My Z10/Z30 photography channel12-07-14 12:01 PMLike 0 -
It should also be of note that what I said, has been said in the reference system of a car analogy. You can't take it word for word, if you change the reference system.
Again?!?!?!?!
Yeah, that one was made up
But in good faith, as my observations of what BlackBerry world offers, what apps I would have liked to use when I only had a BB10 device and how many people need to sideload from Snap/use the Amazon app store, I would say that the number isn't that wrong.
(at least not for commonly used apps on other platforms)12-07-14 12:46 PMLike 0 - There aren't two categories, you are backing yourself into a corner. There are many types of people, with different needs.
I just want a smooth, stable experience, similar to the iPhone or newer Android versions. (4.2+)
I do not want my phone to lag when I have 10+ tabs open, or have it randomly restart. It should not take a minute to boot up a phone.
Specs matter to a point, they don't have to be the latest but they cannot be the same specs as older devices.
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But in good faith, as my observations of what BlackBerry world offers, what apps I would have liked to use when I only had a BB10 device and how many people need to sideload from Snap/use the Amazon app store, I would say that the number isn't that wrong.
(at least not for commonly used apps on other platforms)12-07-14 07:17 PMLike 0 -
I just want something to last a bit. Z30 specs would suffice.
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