Want the next Classic to have a removable battery? Here's your chance
- Yeah, if you miss a night, as too frequently happens with 24/7 professionals, good luck getting power back into the thing the next day while trying to focus on a client's needs. When a client, on the other side of the planet, is loosing thousands of $$$ per minute, he's not very interested in the space or money BlackBerry saved with fixed battery nonsense. He needs my 110% attentive focus and cravenly hunting down power outlets along sidewalks, in cabs, buses, restaurants, bathrooms, etc, etc is an unwelcome distraction. Maybe not so in NYC or LA but not all of us live in the ivory towers of power outlet convenience.
I took my Classic home for over a week and started getting into a routine but one night, 15 minutes after plugging it in, i got one of those calls. It had about an hour left in it before dying. Fortunately, i called him back on the old 99 and got the job done. The Classic is what it is. Many, if not most, won't miss the swappable battery feature. Some do.hlg8888 likes this.03-22-15 11:55 AMLike 1 - A removable battery is the last thing on a long list of issues I have with the Classic.
Posted via CB10Billy Bob Jimmy Joe likes this.03-22-15 12:31 PMLike 1 - Yeah, if you miss a night, as too frequently happens with 24/7 professionals, good luck getting power back into the thing the next day while trying to focus on a client's needs. When a client, on the other side of the planet, is loosing thousands of $$$ per minute, he's not very interested in the space or money BlackBerry saved with fixed battery nonsense. He needs my 110% attentive focus and cravenly hunting down power outlets along sidewalks, in cabs, buses, restaurants, bathrooms, etc, etc is an unwelcome distraction. Maybe not so in NYC or LA but not all of us live in the ivory towers of power outlet convenience.
I took my Classic home for over a week and started getting into a routine but one night, 15 minutes after plugging it in, i got one of those calls. It had about an hour left in it before dying. Fortunately, i called him back on the old 99 and got the job done. The Classic is what it is. Many, if not most, won't miss the swappable battery feature. Some do.
Have not seen a post from you. Thought maybe you moved to another device.
We heavy user all want a removable battery. I had to use a 10k mAh portable battery as a back up.
Posted via CB10hlg8888 likes this.03-22-15 01:07 PMLike 1 - Yeah, if you miss a night, as too frequently happens with 24/7 professionals, good luck getting power back into the thing the next day while trying to focus on a client's needs. When a client, on the other side of the planet, is loosing thousands of $$$ per minute, he's not very interested in the space or money BlackBerry saved with fixed battery nonsense. He needs my 110% attentive focus and cravenly hunting down power outlets along sidewalks, in cabs, buses, restaurants, bathrooms, etc, etc is an unwelcome distraction. Maybe not so in NYC or LA but not all of us live in the ivory towers of power outlet convenience.
I took my Classic home for over a week and started getting into a routine but one night, 15 minutes after plugging it in, i got one of those calls. It had about an hour left in it before dying. Fortunately, i called him back on the old 99 and got the job done. The Classic is what it is. Many, if not most, won't miss the swappable battery feature. Some do.
Quit living under a rock man.03-22-15 01:41 PMLike 0 -
- Yeah, if you miss a night, as too frequently happens with 24/7 professionals, good luck getting power back into the thing the next day while trying to focus on a client's needs. When a client, on the other side of the planet, is loosing thousands of $$$ per minute, he's not very interested in the space or money BlackBerry saved with fixed battery nonsense. He needs my 110% attentive focus and cravenly hunting down power outlets along sidewalks, in cabs, buses, restaurants, bathrooms, etc, etc is an unwelcome distraction. Maybe not so in NYC or LA but not all of us live in the ivory towers of power outlet convenience.
I took my Classic home for over a week and started getting into a routine but one night, 15 minutes after plugging it in, i got one of those calls. It had about an hour left in it before dying. Fortunately, i called him back on the old 99 and got the job done. The Classic is what it is. Many, if not most, won't miss the swappable battery feature. Some do.
And while there might be an occasional long work day, it rarely involves being away from a power source that entire time. And if it does....get a cheap power pack. Done.
As far as your client on the other side of the world exaggeration, it was you who chose not to charge your phone, not BlackBerry.
Your story about plugging in your phone at night, then having to unplug it for more usage (I guess you left the house with it and had no charger in the car?) could happen to ANY PHONE. Do you honestly expect a phone to run all day, then pick it up and using it heavily over night and keep going forever....without charging at all? Don't you have access to power at SOME point? As far as swapping batteries if you are working in the Outback for two straight days.....just get a power pack. End of story.03-22-15 01:51 PMLike 0 - As previously mentioned, switching to a removable battery has the potential to decrease the capacity (mAh) in order to fit it into the same form factor, or the phone would have to become larger to compensate.
I believe that with the increased availability of external chargers that are compatible with micro USB, it generally makes more sense to purchase one of those to top off your internal battery when needed if you're not able to connect it to a wall outlet. These portable batteries also provide a benefit when you upgrade to a newer handset -- you can continue to use your external battery as long as the handset uses micro USB for charging, versus having to buy another spare battery to carry around.03-22-15 01:59 PMLike 0 - Yeah, if you miss a night, as too frequently happens with 24/7 professionals, good luck getting power back into the thing the next day while trying to focus on a client's needs. When a client, on the other side of the planet, is loosing thousands of $$$ per minute, he's not very interested in the space or money BlackBerry saved with fixed battery nonsense. He needs my 110% attentive focus and cravenly hunting down power outlets along sidewalks, in cabs, buses, restaurants, bathrooms, etc, etc is an unwelcome distraction. Maybe not so in NYC or LA but not all of us live in the ivory towers of power outlet convenience.
I took my Classic home for over a week and started getting into a routine but one night, 15 minutes after plugging it in, i got one of those calls. It had about an hour left in it before dying. Fortunately, i called him back on the old 99 and got the job done. The Classic is what it is. Many, if not most, won't miss the swappable battery feature. Some do.
I have the battery pack for my Classic (which I have never had to use by the way). But on one of those 24 work days all I would have to do is plug it in and I would be able to continue making those mega million deals. Easy peasy.
Be classically hip with the BlackBerry Classic03-22-15 02:00 PMLike 0 -
24/7 professionals? Really? I don't know any people that don't sleep and thus plug in their phones.
And while there might be an occasional long work day, it rarely involves being away from a power source that entire time. And if it does....get a cheap power pack. Done.
As far as your client on the other side of the world exaggeration, it was you who chose not to charge your phone, not BlackBerry.
Your story about plugging in your phone at night, then having to unplug it for more usage (I guess you left the house with it and had no charger in the car?) could happen to ANY PHONE. Do you honestly expect a phone to run all day, then pick it up and using it heavily over night and keep going forever....without charging at all? Don't you have access to power at SOME point? As far as swapping batteries if you are working in the Outback for two straight days.....just get a power pack. End of story.03-22-15 02:53 PMLike 0 - Hi Dean, yeah, i haven't had much to say. I really love my Classic and truly hope BB10.3.1 will continue it's maturing. Can't wait to put in my .02 for a swappable batt in Classic 2. Looking like i'll get shouted down anyway but gotta try. That 10AH batt looks like a real horse! We're trying smaller versions and might have to settle on something like that but it's nowhere near handy like simply popping in a fresh batt and restoring to 100% in three minutes. Oh well. Signal plays big on batt life... dunno what yours is but, as you know, we frequently spend all day in an industrial environment with next to no signal. Our batt life suffers.03-22-15 03:33 PMLike 0
- Personally, I don't really care for a removable battery as long as it's large enough.
I was super big on removable batteries because in the past I would instantly buy an extended battery with double or triple the capacity to actually get through the day. (12 hrs of medium to heavy use a must). Now rocking a iPhone 6 Plus and by 12 hrs I'm at 30-50% and I always make it home before it can die, which is like 10-12pm if I go out. I'd just like to see BB make the Classic with a 3000-3500 mAh battery and I'm good.Last edited by Plazmic Flame; 03-22-15 at 04:33 PM.
idssteve likes this.03-22-15 03:44 PMLike 1 -
If your pack is powerful enough you won't need it for hours on end; it will charge it much faster, and you can unplugg while using and plug back in when in between use.
Good luck to you as well. Perhaps look into other methods than switching batteries in and out of the same device all day.gokulesh likes this.03-22-15 03:51 PMLike 1 -
And, if unplugged at 9:22pm, and still have 26% nearly 14 hours later....you're not doing that bad. Perhaps if you aligned your use time with your available charging time you'd easily make it through a day.03-22-15 03:55 PMLike 0 -
- In a perfect world, I would have no issue with removable batteries. There are some advantages to those, no doubt.
But who are these engineers you seek that will somehow come up with the perfect design that BlackBerry couldn't figure out the first time around with the Z10 and Q10, nor all of the other big guys who are almost all switching to fixed batteries after attempting removables?
"Just go design it properly" is a lot easier said than done.
Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.258203-22-15 04:12 PMLike 0 - I haven't tried single handed texting because I put the power pack in my pocket then just run the wire run to the phone...no different than if it was plugged into a wall.
If your pack is powerful enough you won't need it for hours on end; it will charge it much faster, and you can unplugg while using and plug back in when in between use.
So then it was a user issue, not a battery issue.
But don't you have any other devices that let you get your work done? Do you ever sleep?
Yep, I've had those too. I think the point you are making is that is a rare situation....and thus not exactly an example to illustrate your daily activities.
Ah, and here come the inevitable assumptions and comparisons with no data to support it. I don't live in a 9-5 word at all. My normal work days on site are a minimum of 10 hours before any travelling. Some days are easily 15 hours. Much of those days are on my feet. I get it.
Good luck to you as well. Perhaps look into other methods than switching batteries in and out of the same device all day.
I totally understand that most ppl don't use their device this way. But that's where we're at.Plazmic Flame and Mack Gans like this.03-22-15 04:32 PMLike 2 - Charging overnight is a must for anyone who might be having doubts about doing this. The phones are now designed to "trickle-charge" once they get close to and get to 100% charge. We're talking 0.01 amps being drawn. Will not destroy your battery as some myths may state.idssteve and Billy Bob Jimmy Joe like this.03-22-15 04:35 PMLike 2
- Believe me, we HAVE explored this to extreme. Our use is extreme and i understand that BB is focusing on less extreme users. Much of our daily time is spent in an industrial environment where cell signals are very weak. Batt life suffers. We use our devices as spreadsheet editors for QC validating terminations in newly fabricated control panels, as one example. This activity involves physically contacting the conductor label itself using one hand while entering spreadsheet data with the other hand and then physically running along the conductor to document the other end. A level of dexterity most humans are rarely asked to do. 12 hr days are standard fare, for us. Unless i get stuck supervising double shifts where "cat naps" are the sleep i get. There's no doubt we can "get by" with all sorts of cables, etc but we have competition and productivity is a factor. Appendages and wires on the devices impact productivity in well documented ways. We've been using 9900s, and 9650s before that, to GREAT success. Our year long experiment with the Z, and then the Q, led us right back to 9900 but the swappable battery became essential to keeping the devices powered without tethering and without appendages. We all keep spare batts in our pockets, in chargers on our desks, at home, in autos... our break room has at least a dozen of the things on the table as well as charging cradles... all for 9900. I can't recall when the last time my 99 was plugged into usb and really see no advantage over simply swapping a batt and restoring the device back to 100% in 3 minutes while preserving it's OEM form factor. The Classic has potential to replace the 9900, productivity wise, IF we can find a good way to get power into it without interfering with the users dexterity. There are other examples but this one itself, i think, should explain my situation well enough.
I totally understand that most ppl don't use their device this way. But that's where we're at.
I don't think BB is focusing less on extreme users, I think.....as another poster also points out....that they are trying to get more life per battery into the device, which means non-user changeable. You are certainly pushing the extremes and the endless one handed use is clearly the issue. Perhaps someone could invent something like a Mophie for the Classic, or perhaps a generic Mophie for phones with a bottom mounted usb.idssteve likes this.03-22-15 04:44 PMLike 1 - As previously mentioned, switching to a removable battery has the potential to decrease the capacity (mAh) in order to fit it into the same form factor, or the phone would have to become larger to compensate.
I believe that with the increased availability of external chargers that are compatible with micro USB, it generally makes more sense to purchase one of those to top off your internal battery when needed if you're not able to connect it to a wall outlet. These portable batteries also provide a benefit when you upgrade to a newer handset -- you can continue to use your external battery as long as the handset uses micro USB for charging, versus having to buy another spare battery to carry around.
The other day, I needed two battery changes. The form factor of the Q10 battery means it fits easily into a pocket: flat, rectangular. Similar to a stack of business cards. Take out a fresh battery, switch and keep moving. Then when finally in the hotel, use the battery charger pack option and good to go the next day.03-22-15 05:25 PMLike 2 - That is certainly extreme. Not sure I understand it all, but it sounds intense.
I don't think BB is focusing less on extreme users, I think.....as another poster also points out....that they are trying to get more life per battery into the device, which means non-user changeable. You are certainly pushing the extremes and the endless one handed use is clearly the issue. Perhaps someone could invent something like a Mophie for the Classic, or perhaps a generic Mophie for phones with a bottom mounted usb.
Price is self explanatory. Pretty easy to see where fixed battery is cheaper to implement. There are times when the pennies saved are irrelevant to the end use, however.
Size is also self explanatory. Especially when LiPo heat rejection sinking and sidewall expansion are considered. I, for one, just don't see the advantage of razor thin devices. I, personally, find slightly thicker devices easier to handle. Fitting a 3600mAH aftermarket into our 9900s makes the device EASIER to grasp, IMO. Obviously, others disagree. That said, adding length to the device with an external battery appendage seems counter productive to the assumed motive for making the device thin to begin with. IMO.
Oh well, i'm just excited that BB is taking the time to actually ask for input. I'll probably get voted down but at least hava say.
Edit: BTW, if Tamil Nadu isn't on the other side of the planet, it's close. No exaggeration intended. Point being it's daytime there when night time here. "The sun never sets on our client base."Last edited by idssteve; 03-22-15 at 05:55 PM.
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