- As much as I don't want it to be there if it draws in more $ $ and the 60 million that are on BBOS then in the words of young jeezy "let's get it!". Plus I ain't buying so I don't really care, as long as a top of the line OVER POWERED Z model is in the works I'm a paying customer.
Posted via CB1002-25-14 09:47 PMLike 0 - You must be taking more time than me time to swipe up on a touch screen then because I can swipe up from the bottom of my Z phones just as quickly as I can press a physical button on my 9860. You don't need to swipe up very far on a BB10 phone, a short quick flick of the finger is enough, maybe you aren't doing it like that?
Video games often require near instantaneous input. A smartphone does not REQUIRE near instantaneous input, unless you're playing a game and then you use specific controls for fast input. Hypothetically speaking will it kill anyone if a user input action in BB10 takes half a second longer or even a whole second compared to BBOS? You talk like it's premeditated murder.
A smartphone does not require ANYTHING. So the word requires is another pointless distraction. It's not about what requires, it's about what used to be faster and now is not.
I think it may well be that your perception of how far you have to move your finger when doing swipe gestures in BB10 is a little off the way it actually is. You don't have to move your finger inches for most of the gestures, particularly not the swipe up to leave an app. A short flick is enough.
Also I think when you use the word 'intensive' it gives an image of exhausting physical labour. Intensive exercise is where you exert yourself to the point of being unable to continue. Not quite what happens when using a smartphone! Maybe saying which one requires more effort rather than which is the most 'intensive' would be a better way of phrasing it.
Yes you're right sorry, it's been a long time since I fired up the 9860, so I honestly had forgotten that the back button retraces your steps between the apps you were in. The 9860 is a phone with many problems, it's unfinished and they didn't bother to finish it in any of the updates, so I hate using it now compared to my Z phones.
Woah there! Turn off the hate tap mate. I was not trying to be condescending towards you at all. 'My friend' is a term of endearment where I'm from, I say it all the time.
And I'm not attempting to change the subject or trying to say that you are too old to be doing using your phone correctly by mentioning that in my experience, where I work and train people in using mobile devices as part of my job, the more elderly people are the ones who struggle the most with technology in general and with change. It's just the way it is, the older they are the less likely they grew up with technology and the more alien it is to them unless they made a big effort to get in to it during their working life.
Clearly user input being ultimately efficient down to the millisecond is important to you. Great, whatever floats your boat. For most people there are many more things in this day and age that they expect from a smartphone that they class as more important than having the phone that allows them to go back a screen faster than any other phone on the planet. It's just not that high on most people's priority list.
Things have moved on from.....what?
Adapt....to what? The BlackBerry community adapted to iPhones and Androids just fine. Ironically it was the Blackberries they were having a problem with.
Come on, be honest on a touch screen BBOS7 phone when you're on a screen with lots of fields and buttons like creating or editing a Contact do you scroll around to the field you want to type in with the touchpad or do you just tap the screen to put the cursor straight in the text box? The touchpad is a clumsy way of moving between the UI elements of BBOS7, particularly painful in the Browser, it is only an accurate way of positioning the cursor WITHIN a UI element such as a text box whether single line or muti-line (email, text, BBM). For me that's not enough to justify the reintroduction of the touchpad if it means that it takes up space on the front of the phone when it's not needed, which is most of the time in BB10's case.
Most people want a large wide high res bright screen on their phone without the phone itself being much larger than the screen (narrow bezels). They are perfectly willing to sacrifice text selection accuracy for that. Apple and Samsung don't seem to be losing customers due to lack of "text selection assistance" hardware.
Soooo.....you just assumed that I didn't ask them any specific questions because I assumed you wouldn't be presumptuous enough to think that I recorded their feedback without doing exactly such as to not do so would make the data irrelevant by virtue of it being anecdotal and incomparable between users? Come on fella, stop yanking my chain! lol
I didn't' assume anything. I asked you a specific question about your data gathering methods that brought you to say earlier that 1% of the users are opposed to the lack of buttons. You answered it. SO....I'll ask again. Did you specifically ask each of them about this issue and record the results. Why is it so hard to answer such a simple question? Oh, wait...I know already.
Ah, you so coy. You make a funny.
Ahem.... I would like to know about what I asked you earlier. How did you aquire the data that brought you to proclaim that 1% of the users cared about the buttons. (Thank you, sir, may I have another.)
See, I put it in bold so you wouldn't miss it this time.
But good to see you're a smart a$$ right to the very end with the marvin comment. Stick to IT. Don't go in PR. Seriously.anon(4185604) likes this.02-25-14 09:50 PMLike 1 - For someone like me who dislikes the inaccuracies of the 'circle' for editing and selecting text, the return of the trackpad is welcome. For those people who see no need for the trackpad then there will be devices there for you too. But don't brush people off for liking part of BBOS so much that they stick with it. It's personal opinion, just like some like the Q-series and some like the Z-series.
I say whatever sells more phones is good, regardless of whether it suits my taste.pantlesspenguin likes this.02-25-14 09:51 PMLike 1 - Half a second? Seriously? I don't mind fast, but half a second???? We are gonna add a track pad and take up screen space for the sake of half a second? I'm sorry, but personally that's just ridiculous.
Ofcourse you would use that example of the airport, that's invalid here. I'll accept the argument of convenience maybe, but definitely not saving half a second
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Who said anything about a trackpad?
Who said anyhing about screen space?
But nice job at insulting people who clearly have more do in a day (and on their phone ) than you do. No, no, don't get up....just sit there and the let the world revolve around you. It's ok. We'll be over here making things happen faster.
Why is the example invalid? Because it proves a point that you don't want proven?02-25-14 09:56 PMLike 0 -
- if i have to go key less iphone is the best, damn thing never slows down. i will be back because of the track pad.02-25-14 10:51 PMLike 0
- I can't believe there's so much hate for this decision.
It's like giving users a choice is a bad thing. Sheesh.
Some people want the buttons and trackpad - the sort of people who spend lots of time composing messages, editing emails, etc...
Other people who do little in the way of written communications and don't often run into the issue of cursor precision are complaining that the trackpad isn't part of BB10's swipe and gesture based design. You'd be right, and this isn't the reason the trackpad is coming back.
Why can't you simply accept that there's a phone with a trackpad for those who want it and a phone without it for those who don't?
We all want to see BlackBerry succeed, so who are we to complain about BlackBerry offering a device with a feature that could capture a larger audience and improve sales?
These forums are for trolls.02-25-14 11:05 PMLike 0 -
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until just recently, the only thing we knew was that the new keyboard phones would have the belt coming back.
Kevin just mentioned in his last post that they will continue making Q10 like phone without the belt, so ye, NOW this thread can be closed.
i love my Q10,
i dont wanna old school trakpad/belt, i learned how to use BB10 to excellence
do you have a problem with my preference? Am i really a troll?Shadowyugi likes this.02-26-14 01:52 AMLike 1 -
the BACK function is replicated by swiping diagonally to the left, from the bottom center!!!
no need to swipe to show again02-26-14 01:54 AMLike 0 -
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Perhaps you haven't tried or don't realise that the swipe up gesture to leave an app in BB10 is longer the slower you do it and shorter the quicker you do it. It responds to the speed that you do it. Flick up quickly and it's a much shorter gesture than you seem to think.
Out of interest was it a Q10 you have? Or had? That phone is notorious for having poor touch sensitivity all over the screen, but it's particularly poor for the swipe up to leave an app gesture annoyingly. The ones I've tried all exhibit the same lack of sensitivity compared to Z phones. Most Q10 users don't realise how poorly gestures are recognised on its screen if they've never used a Z phone.
Not everything in this world gets faster or stays at least as fast as the world moves on and leaves certain technologies behind you know. Passenger air travel went back in time over 25 years in terms of speed when Concorde was retired. This year's Formula 1 racing cars are several seconds a lap slower than last year's and yet their engines contain new cutting edge energy recovery technology making them millions of pounds more valuable and high tech than the engines they replaced. The world moves on and sometimes it's more cost effective or better for other reasons than just speed to do something more slowly than before, however slight or big the speed difference.
And avoid what question? Why do you keep saying I'm trying to avoid something? Are you just naturally suspicious of everyone you meet, as if you expect that they are always trying to get one over on you? Bullied at school perhaps?
I wasn't actually apologising for anything a second time there as I didn't have anything to apologise for, but thanks anyway!
I do a lot of text manipulation on the move in emails in my daily work, copying from archives of documentation I keep in Notes and editing it around in an email before sending it out. I honestly don't find it the pain on my Z phones that you seem to be experiencing. It was worse in BB10.1.x that's for sure but I whiz along quite happily now. Maybe I just take to it, I've lived with constant change and having to re-learn ways of doing things throughout my career as things in very few industries change as quickly as they do in the tech industry! If you don't like change then IT is the wrong game to be in.
You should check out the Change House theory about the psychology of change in humans, it's interesting, just don't end up in the Dungeon of Despair!
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My opinion is that options when over done can also equate to unnecessary clutter and redundancy if they aren't well thought through and well managed during a products life cycle. That's where BBOS went wrong, user interface feature after feature after feature was bolted on top of a decade of legacy features that were rarely ever sifted through for redundant things to remove.
There, our opinions differ, that's they beauty and fun if opinions but where it gets really good is being able to discuss those opinions with someone else in an open minded and tolerant way.....
Oh dear.
From physical buttons for everything to predominantly virtual touch screen and/or touch sensitive controls.
From physical buttons for everything to predominantly virtual touch screen and/or touch sensitive controls.
The BlackBerry community, as in the current one right now, and I don't presume to think that you are like this, has a high percentage of people who are unfortunately rather change averse in that they didn't jump ship from what they know (BBOS, BIS, physical Qwerty, touchpad) years ago like a lot of other people (and even now are cagey about BlackBerry 10)because of the lack of some of those things, BIS and the touchpad/function key 'belt' being two biggies. And if they did try BB10 those same change averse people seem to whine like hell on here about things that are "missing" or "different" or "slower" or "not as good". This place is full of such threads and posts, far more than posts about the positives of BB10, it can't have escaped your attention.
Sure there are things that could be carried over to BB10, some things that should have been there from day one that are there now or "coming soon" or never coming but it is what it is. The point is that the never ending circular whining from some people on this forum, not including you, (I haven't read enough of your posts!), is disproportionate to the size of the actual problems. I mean some people just need to get out more! lol
And for most people, do you know what? For most people it ISN'T very important. Why do you think iOS, Android and Windows Phone users put up with their platform's fiddly text selection methods without trying to burn down the HQs of Apple, Google and Microsoft in outrage at the lack of a touchpad-like solution?
Because to most people it is a very minor issue.
Joking aside for a second the reason I say that you don't seem to pick up on the light heartedness of many of my comments, ignoring the emoticons, the smiley winking face . In fact you seem to see them as direct personal insults. In human social situations not being able to pick up on other people's emotions is a classic Asperger's symptom.
Interestingly, but not necessarily in connection with you, other symptoms are an inbuilt need for routine and an extreme aversion to change.
Oh that's delightfully sweet and cute, is that you trying to patronisingly teach me "lessons"? Aww bless.
Yes. When was the last time you used a BBOS phone without a touch screen for a good length of time? Only having the touchpad to navigate with is incredibly clumsy and frustrating in all but inside text fields, where it finds its one arguably useful remaining purpose.
I'm not taking your bait so you can put the fishing line away good buddy.
Jeez. Uptight a little?
You won Gold in the Asperger's Olympics?
You didn't mention anything in your question about it being related to why 1% of the users didn't want a physical Qwerty Q10. You just said 'did you conduct a survey or did you wait for them to complain' so I didn't exactly feel compelled to supply a full report with an Executive Summary lol
It is rather obvious intuitively how I can work out the percentage of my users who chose a Q10 and the percentage who chose a Z10 (after their opinions were surveyed by allowing them to try each for a day and then provide feedback in the form of usability and functionality ratings which contributed to helping them choose which one they wanted). It's intuitive because I know the number of users and I know the numbers of the two types of device that were eventually issued. Percentages are rather easy to arrive at when you have those two stats in front of you.
Do you mean the lack of trackpad on the BB10 phone they would receiving and whether that was a negative or positive thing? If yes, then I'm pleased to be able to inform you and overwhelmingly my users weren't the slightest bit bothered about the lack of the 'belt' on the BB10 phones. They couldn't wait for a modern touch screen user interface to use instead of the clumsy (in all but one scenario, good old text selection) trackpad, and they were not the slightest bit bothered about the lack of dedicated functions keys either.
You see, people who use work issued BlackBerry phones in the workplace don't go home at night and weekends and hide in caves. My users had almost all already made the move to full touch phones, iPhone or Android, in their personal lives years ago and so weren't the slightest bit fazed by buttons suddenly being virtual instead of physical and having to use the touch screen to... gasp... select text. They really couldn't wait to hand in their physical Qwerty BBOS phones, even the few who wanted to stick with physical Qwerty but craved a more modern touch screen interface to use along side the keyboard.
You like being wrong don't you. Either that or you're just good at it unintentionally.
Those few Q10 users at work openly admit me to me that they don't like change and laugh about it. There is nothing insulting talking openly about people who find change difficult to cope with. It's especially not insulting to you when it's OTHER people I know and you don't that I'm talking about!
Those particular users of mine know they are change averse and are very appreciative of the option to move on to a more modern phone in a more gradual way, retaining the Qwerty keyboard but with the modern world of full touch and a media rich OS to use up top. I didn't have to offer everyone a Q10, I could have decided "well I like the Z10 more so everybody is getting that and can like it or lump it". But no, that would be incredibly selfish and unprofessional, one size never fits all, so a choice of models was the order of the day.
Also, did you just ignore the LOL at the end of what you quoted? You know the emotional queue that signals that it was a good humoured comment? I think you may have the first case of cyber-Asperger's!
She made it sound like a total sham of a profession so no I won't be giving up my extremely satisfying and rewarding career any time soon for PR thank you very much lol
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Shadowyugi likes this.02-26-14 02:07 AMLike 1 - Blackberry is clearly confused and is changing direction all of the time. The signs of a desperate company fighting to survive.johnnyuk and Shadowyugi like this.02-26-14 02:10 AMLike 2
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to do what you can do with a button, i'll have first to swipe down, and then press on the three dots, whereas with a button you only press once eheh i like how we are going deep into details, like how saving half a second is more productive
jokes apart, I am not a fan of the belt, BUT as i posted previously, you are right in regards to android apps, the back button could be very useful! i give you that!02-26-14 02:20 AMLike 0 - oh yes i get it now,
to do what you can do with a button, i'll have first to swipe down, and then press on the three dots, whereas with a button you only press once eheh i like how we are going deep into details, like how saving half a second is more productive
jokes apart, I am not a fan of the belt, BUT as i posted previously, you are right in regards to android apps, the back button could be very useful! i give you that!
Sent from my iPhone using CB Forums02-26-14 02:25 AMLike 0 - I know many BlackBerry enthusiasts love this news but I personally have no interest in going back to a physical keyboard device. I loved my Curve and 9930 but I like the Z10 better. I would be much more happy with 10.3 OS enhancements and better battery life than a new device with physical keyboard.
Sent from my Z10 using CB Forums mobile app02-26-14 03:08 AMLike 0 - I know many BlackBerry enthusiasts love this news but I personally have no interest in going back to a physical keyboard device. I loved my Curve and 9930 but I like the Z10 better. I would be much more happy with 10.3 OS enhancements and better battery life than a new device with physical keyboard.
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