- Z30 should have been released rather then Z10.
Q20 should have been released rather then Q10.
We all know that. At least they are getting it right now.
eBBM. Another good sign.
If only non bes user could get access to balance (dual profiles) already!flyingsolid likes this.02-25-14 06:27 PMLike 1 - No just trying to figure out what you think the home screen is. It is an archaic concept IMHO and not relevant to BB10. Not sure what is wrong with your device but I can get into the hub with one movement from any app, any screen, at any time with the swipe up and hook to the left gesture. We aren't going to get anywhere, you feel the BBOS buttons are quicker based on your experience, and I feel they are not based on mine.
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How is a home screen archaic? You have to start somewhere. Something needs be considering the area to go back to. Otherwise...WHY SWIPE UP? Where are you going?
There is nothing wrong with my phone...but thanks for the sarcasm. I'd like a little cream and sugar with that please. You just describe TWO difrent movements....not one....two. You said you move UP....THEN....you move RIGHT. That's.....TWO.
Buttons, by definition, are quicker. Trying replacing your computers keyboard with one that requires you make a swipe action for each letter and get back to me. How about playing a video game with a controller with no buttons....just swipes for everyone command. I doubt you will get a very high score. Darn physics.02-25-14 06:30 PMLike 0 -
Why don't they make computer keyboards that require you to swipe each key instead of tapping each key? Because...swiping is faster....right?02-25-14 06:34 PMLike 0 -
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- Why..... that's such a step backwards. Everyone will realize once the initial nostalgia fades away. The buttons will honestly take away from the gestures. Why spend millions on making a new gesture based software.... just to bring back buttons anyway. Is that not the point of the gestures?
Also, everyone talking **** on the swiping gestures now because buttons are coming back... it is funny that everyone was praising the gestures over the buttons just a couple days ago, and now this news comes along so gestures are all of a sudden "inconvenient" and "take too long".
Posted via CB10deptech and Shadowyugi like this.02-25-14 06:44 PMLike 2 - No, someone else talked about going to the home screen....so I asked "what is the home screen". Because if it's what they said it was...it actually takes two swipes to get there. I still haven't gotten anyone to say what the home screen really is. Which is kind of a problem if you like to have things in one place.
How is a home screen archaic? You have to start somewhere. Something needs be considering the area to go back to. Otherwise...WHY SWIPE UP? Where are you going?
There is nothing wrong with my phone...but thanks for the sarcasm. I'd like a little cream and sugar with that please. You just describe TWO difrent movements....not one....two. You said you move UP....THEN....you move RIGHT. That's.....TWO.
Buttons, by definition, are quicker. Trying replacing your computers keyboard with one that requires you make a swipe action for each letter and get back to me. How about playing a video game with a controller with no buttons....just swipes for everyone command. I doubt you will get a very high score. Darn physics.
Z30 on 10.2.1.537 in Canada02-25-14 07:01 PMLike 0 -
That makes sense for a phone like the Q10 with all those keys in the bottom half but, for the all touch Z10 for example, most people either hold the phone in one hand so that the thumb is free to move more around the middle of the screen with the ability to stretch to either the top or the bottom OR they hold the phone in one hand and peck at the screen with the index finger of their other hand.
The larger Z30 is harder but not impossible to use single handed unless you have particularly large hands to make it easier (mine aren't), so people are more likely to either hold with one hand and peck with the other or hold with two hands and use both thumbs.
For me when I'm typing a lot on my Z30 I actually adopt a hybrid of the last two. I hold it in my left hand with my little finger along the bottom supporting it and the thumb free to type on the left side of the keyboard while I type on the right side of the keyboard with the index finger of my right hand.
If I'm not doing a lot of typing then I hold it in either hand and just use the thumb of that hand to navigate and swipe words up from the amazing virtual keyboard.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 /10.2.1.1925 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.102-25-14 07:04 PMLike 0 - it's simple physics. You either touch something (you're already done in the world of buttons) or you touch something....THEN (nope, not done yet, you've got more work to do)....you move your finger a inch or two. Which takes longer?.
Why don't they make computer keyboards that require you to swipe each key instead of tapping each key? Because...swiping is faster....right?
Your convoluting typing with UI navigation. You can use just a keyboard on Windows, but a mouse allows you to do more quicker than with just a keyboard and navigate the UI quicker. I type on glass just fine without swiping and without physical buttons, although there are swipe keyboard applications on other platforms because computer keyboards are sized for two, full hand usage, but it doesn't necessarily translate perfectly to a smaller phone form factor. And as for navigation of UI without buttons, Xbox Kinect, Windows, iPad, Macbook Pro touch pad, Wii, all incorporating gestures and/or motion for control and input. Apple has been able to do more with a single trackpad than traditional laptop pads do with multiple buttons. My Apple magic mouse has no buttons on top but emulates the buttons just fine with gestures.
Posted via CB10deptech likes this.02-25-14 07:10 PMLike 1 -
Pressing a button doesn't involve physics?02-25-14 07:12 PMLike 0 -
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Also you just don't touch the button, you move your appendage to the exact location of the particular button, and then have to apply pressure to activate the sensor under the button, have to make sure you hold it down long enough for the long press if required, etc. Those electro mechanical contacts can and will wear over time. They add cost to the device and consume precious real estate in the casing themselves downward into the case.
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No, I'm comparing the two methods of data entry while typing. The tap (one single touch) or the swipe (one single touch followed by more motion..
For some reason they still stick with the first....more efficient, faster method for all keyboards ever made.
You can use just a keyboard on Windows, but a mouse allows you to do more quicker than with just a keyboard and navigate the UI quicker. I type on glass just fine without swiping and without physical buttons, although there are swipe keyboard applications on other platforms because computer keyboards are sized for two, full hand usage, but it doesn't necessarily translate perfectly to a smaller phone form factor.
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And as for navigation of UI without buttons, Xbox Kinect, Windows, iPad, Macbook Pro touch pad, Wii, all incorporating gestures and/or motion for control and input. Apple has been able to do more with a single trackpad than traditional laptop pads do with multiple buttons. My Apple magic mouse has no buttons on top but emulates the buttons just fine with gestures.
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02-25-14 07:20 PMLike 0 - There are other ways of opening the app that doesn't require the long hold.
Yes, and everything just described ALSO takes place for a swipe.................PLUS..................more time after that.
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No, I'm comparing the two methods of data entry while typing. The tap (one single touch) or the swipe (one single touch followed by more motion..
For some reason they still stick with the first....more efficient, faster method for all keyboards ever made.
Great. What does this have to do with anything?
Great. Again, what does that have to do with anything I'm talking about?
Posted via CB1002-25-14 07:41 PMLike 0 - You mentioned controlling games without buttons, it is being done. PS4 has a gesture area now too. I brought up other examples where gestures are being used because you can only have so many buttons on something and gestures allow you to do things without dedicated buttons being present or required. Smaller devices where space for buttons is at a premium is again where many are looking to gestures to do functions.
Posted via CB1002-25-14 07:45 PMLike 0 - It has a gesture "area" for additional actions, but they didn't replace the buttons....did they? Because people would go crazy...it would slow them down.....right? You don't shoot your gun by constantly swiping....right? You push a button of some sort....because that is faster.
Posted via CB1002-25-14 08:10 PMLike 0 - Saving half a second is meaningless, "well let's add all those half seconds up and see how much time we save" it's frivolous. In real world usage the difference would be very marginal. I mean seriously, saving half a second? Come on now...... and ofcourse someone is gonna reply with some super extreme situation where half a second would be the difference between life and death -.-'
Posted via CB10deptech and Shadowyugi like this.02-25-14 08:20 PMLike 2 - This the best news I have heard in years!
The amazing goodness of trackpad being added to the amazing BlackBerry 10 os?????
Man!!!! That is simply wet dream material.
The convenience of a track pad can never be replaced by gestures and touch screen. No matter what the trolls say and think.
I am very sure BlackBerry is headed in the right direction.
My cheque is signed and ready for atleast 10 pieces of q20 aka Classic.
Posted via CB102c likes this.02-25-14 08:22 PMLike 1 - Saving half a second is meaningless, "well let's add all those half seconds up and see how much time we save" it's frivolous. In real world usage the difference would be very marginal. I mean seriously, saving half a second? Come on now...... and ofcourse someone is gonna reply with some super extreme situation where half a second would be the difference between life and death -.-'
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After all, whats a few more seconds of looking down at your phone while walking in a crowded airport? Why do you need to look up faster?kbz1960 likes this.02-25-14 08:25 PMLike 1 - My experience is the same as yours because I have the same phone. It requires the same (longer) action. Why not respond to my question about controllers that use swipes...because they take the same amount of time....right? It's just as easy to shoot your virtual gun by swiping over and over as it is by pressing a button over and over. Right?02-25-14 08:29 PMLike 0
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Video games often require near instantaneous input. A smartphone does not REQUIRE near instantaneous input, unless you're playing a game and then you use specific controls for fast input. Hypothetically speaking will it kill anyone if a user input action in BB10 takes half a second longer or even a whole second compared to BBOS? You talk like it's premeditated murder.
Also I think when you use the word 'intensive' it gives an image of exhausting physical labour. Intensive exercise is where you exert yourself to the point of being unable to continue. Not quite what happens when using a smartphone! Maybe saying which one requires more effort rather than which is the most 'intensive' would be a better way of phrasing it.
For me personally I find it no more effort to reach and swipe than to reach and press a button. Perhaps you own or have used a Q10 that you held with both hands, with your thumbs over the keyboard? The Z series intuitively encourage you to hold in one hand as they are easier to type on with one thumb than a Q10 is with one thumb. I usually do hold either of my Z's one handed, unless I'm going to be typing a lot, so swiping with the thumb of the hand that's holding it is a piece of cake. Remember on my 9860 reaching for the function keys and touchpad at the bottom is a pain in the thumb!
Well, if you were going for the condescending statement of the day award, you win. But nice job and starting out with the sarcastic "my friend". Here's the thing....I know how to swipe. I do it with no problem despite your efforts to change the subject to "user error...you must be elderly".
And I'm not attempting to change the subject or trying to say that you are too old to be using your phone correctly by mentioning that in my experience, where I work and train people in using mobile devices as part of my job, the more elderly people are the ones who struggle the most with technology in general and with change. It's just the way it is, the older they are the less likely they grew up with technology and the more alien it is to them unless they made a big effort to get in to it during their working life or their personal life when they were younger.
I work in local government with elected members, most of whom are retired from their careers even before they stand for election. So when I say elderly I mean elderly, one of my BlackBerry users is pushing on 80 and still going strong! Try teaching Windows 8 on a Surface to a guy born in 1935!
Simple physics...the universal laws of nature....DEFINE that a swipe take longer and more effort that a tap. Regardless of how much you love it. It's undeniable physics...no matter how insignificant it may be to some people with lots of time on their hands and nothing else to do (Am I in the running for the award now?)
Clearly user input being ultimately efficient down to the millisecond is important to you. Great, whatever floats your boat. For most people there are many more things in this day and age that they expect from a smartphone that they class as more important than having the phone that allows them to go back a screen faster than any other phone on the planet. It's just not that high on most people's priority list.
Yes, my friend has this phone. The contortion sounds very familar...except that phone was smaller so the contortion was less than on the z10. Plus the torch gave you those dreaded optoins so you didnt' have to rely on those buttons on the bottom of you didnt' want.
Come on, be honest on a touch screen BBOS7 phone when you're on a screen with lots of fields and buttons like creating or editing a Contact do you scroll around to the field you want to type in with the touchpad or do you just tap the screen to put the cursor straight in the text box? The touchpad is a clumsy way of moving between the UI elements of BBOS7, particularly painful in the Browser, it is only an accurate way of positioning the cursor WITHIN a UI element such as a text box whether single line or muti-line (email, text, BBM). For me that's not enough to justify the reintroduction of the touchpad if it means that it takes up space on the front of the phone when it's not needed, which is most of the time in BB10's case.
Most people want a large wide high res bright screen on their phone without the phone itself being much larger than the screen (narrow bezels). They are perfectly willing to sacrifice text selection accuracy for that. Apple and Samsung don't seem to be losing customers due to lack of "text selection assistance" hardware.
Nothing, never said it did. I was talking about what's considered 'power use' in 2014 and it isn't selecting text in 3 seconds as opposed to 5 seconds.
Posted via CB10 on Z30 STA100-2 /10.2.1.1925 on O2 UK - Activated on BES10.2.1Last edited by johnnyuk; 02-25-14 at 08:56 PM.
Shadowyugi likes this.02-25-14 08:35 PMLike 1 - Based on this logic....why make anything faster? Because it's meaningless....right? After all....it only adds up to a few minutes per day. A hours per year. Who needs this time anyway. People with BlackBerry's are usually very casual people with nothing going on anyway.
After all, whats a few more seconds of looking down at your phone while walking in a crowded airport? Why do you need to look up faster?
Ofcourse you would use that example of the airport, that's invalid here. I'll accept the argument of convenience maybe, but definitely not saving half a second
Posted via CB10deptech and Shadowyugi like this.02-25-14 08:37 PMLike 2 - Guys!!!!!
Imaginethe beauty of gestures + trackpad!!!!
Best of both world's!!!!
It is not replacing BlackBerry 10 os for God's sake. BlackBerry is gonna make BlackBerry 10 more amazing with the trackpad.
What we need to do is wait and watch instead of making dubious judgements of a concept which is yet to be revealed in flesh.
I know a lot of people who will buy q20 or any BlackBerry 10 device with a trackpad.
Posted via CB1002-25-14 08:38 PMLike 0 - Let just go ahead and end this thread right here. The track pad and belt is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
Posted via CB10deptech and Shadowyugi like this.02-25-14 09:44 PMLike 2 - Tonight I was trying to edit an html file on my z10 using Noted. I had a hell of a time blocking out the text I wanted to replace with an already copied LINK. I could not easily select the existing 12 characters xxxx.yyy.com. I selected lines above and lines below and characters left and right but getting those and only those characters highlighted took about 15 tries. Since formatting and syntac are important to html, I did not want to accidentally delete or cut out critical data. Give me a POINTER/cursor and the Shift from the old days.ssbtech likes this.02-25-14 09:46 PMLike 1
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