12-31-14 01:32 AM
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  1. hnguyen's Avatar
    With the massive right off last year for over producing the z10 and q10 devices is it possible the Classic cannibalize those components to save cost and to create massive profits?

    Just a thought.

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    12-26-14 06:37 PM
  2. Gus's Avatar
    I think they used some of the components. That will explain why the devices have similar specifications. I don't think they will create massive profits off that though.

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    12-26-14 06:50 PM
  3. Baconwich's Avatar
    I think it just boils down to that the Classic isn't aimed at people who's highest priority is having higher numbers than other people. For what it's meant to do, the Classic's specs are perfectly fine, and it keeps costs down. It's not the ideal shape for multimedia and games, so it doesn't need to be built to do those things.

    I don't think there's some huge conspiracy behind the phone's specs.
    serbanescu, mk2234 and Bla1ze like this.
    12-26-14 07:21 PM
  4. vinniesworld's Avatar
    Of course, for sure there will be an inventory of components left over and what better way to put them to use. Z10 and Q10 for 2yr old devices can still cut it up there with the rest and if anything were over spec at the time they were produced.
    The classic is aimed to reel those users back in that fell to the side when BlackBerry no longer produced those cost effective phones that appealed to both business and young consumers alike, more importantly ones with the full tool belt or track pad in particular. The Bold handsets were just far to much cost for mother and father to buy for their teens.

    The Classic handset is a mixture, has it been priced right? Only time will tell. Is it going to appeal coming loaded with BlackBerry 10 OS? I'm not so sure.
    I won't be buying one myself as it just doesn't appeal but sure it will appeal to other users and lets hope it can get some of the old faithful back that ditched BlackBerry when they decided to make that radical change to an all touch device and a Q10 that was literally a Curve with all the guts pulled out of it and just a keyboard attached to a touchscreen.
    12-26-14 07:54 PM
  5. matt4pack's Avatar
    It's replacing the q5 in the lineup which is the budget model? People don't seem to see this somehow.

    Also the toolbelt adds costs to the phone the previous q's didn't have.
    12-26-14 08:05 PM
  6. Xenolock's Avatar
    I think OP is on target...

    Sooooo many unsold Z10s, and some Q10's too. Using existing inventory makes too much sense not to do it, especially for a Bold upgrade/enterprise fleet phone.

    From a Z30
    12-26-14 08:11 PM
  7. StutterStep's Avatar
    Maybe BlackBerry got paid to clear out those old snapdragon S4 chips

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    12-26-14 08:13 PM
  8. jasonvan9's Avatar
    I dont know what extra Z10s or Q10s in the inventory has to do with the chips chosen for the classic's board... they dont crack open a Z10 and remove the chips from the board...

    What was built for inventory was bought, paid for in the quantity

    What was chosen for the classic was a new order, Chen probably got a good deal on an older chip, so it was chosen... he said before he cant compete on price for chipsets so if he buys a year old chip to save costs that makes good business sense especially if you dont need the extra power and you want to keep the costs down

    The classics specs were chosen specifically for what its intended purpose is and to bring the price down

    End of story

    Posted via my BlackBerry Classic
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    12-27-14 07:38 AM
  9. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    I think OP is on target...

    Sooooo many unsold Z10s, and some Q10's too. Using existing inventory makes too much sense not to do it, especially for a Bold upgrade/enterprise fleet phone.

    From a Z30
    Possible , though the financial call suggested that the inventory glut has been worked through. They probably got a good price on parts relative to the volume and it was easier to test being hardware similar to the Q10
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    12-27-14 08:00 AM
  10. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    I also get the impression BlackBerry either got a huge stock of those components or at least had some large quantities deal signed back when Heins was at the helm for BB10 launch. I mean they use the same SoC now for Z10, Q10, Classic, in some way the Q5 and last but not least the upcoming Rio device.

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    12-27-14 08:01 AM
  11. bakron1's Avatar
    It was meant to be a replacement for the older legacy Bold devices and BlackBerry had to keep the cost down to make it attractive to the corporate clients who will be updating their device fleets.

    The device was never meant to be a high horsepower, wiz bang, super duper game changer for the consumer market.

    Sent from my lovely passport on T Mobile USA
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    12-27-14 08:17 AM
  12. jasonvan9's Avatar
    It was meant to be a replacement for the older legacy Bold devices and BlackBerry had to keep the cost down to make it attractive to the corporate clients who will be updating their device fleets.

    The device was never meant to be a high horsepower, wiz bang, super duper game changer for the consumer market.

    Sent from my lovely passport on T Mobile USA
    Exactly ^^^ this

    Posted via my BlackBerry Classic
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    12-27-14 08:20 AM
  13. vprince69's Avatar
    It's meant for legacy users, that's why it's so heavily marketed comparing it to the bold, if you have an older BlackBerry it's most likely the bold and this phone will be leagues faster.

    Posted via CB10
    12-27-14 08:24 AM
  14. spork141's Avatar
    I dont know what extra Z10s or Q10s in the inventory has to do with the chips chosen for the classic's board... they dont crack open a Z10 and remove the chips from the board...

    What was built for inventory was bought, paid for in the quantity

    What was chosen for the classic was a new order, Chen probably got a good deal on an older chip, so it was chosen... he said before he cant compete on price for chipsets so if he buys a year old chip to save costs that makes good business sense especially if you dont need the extra power and you want to keep the costs down

    The classics specs were chosen specifically for what its intended purpose is and to bring the price down

    End of story

    Posted via my BlackBerry Classic
    There's probably some truth here too. In fairness we don't really know if all the purchased components made it into production units or not.

    There's also a cost savings on the development side. Developing software on already tested, already optimized chips makes sense also. I think putting all those factors together justifies the decision from a company standpoint

    I'm not saying I'm happy with it. I'm just saying I'm not baffled by the decision. A lot of members here say "it's not meant for high end users so we don't need high end specs". Well there's a lot of specs in between the classic chip and the octocores they have now that are still old and not "high end" ( like z30 specs). You can still market the z30 chip set to the business market without a huge bump in cost I assume.

    Still excited to get the classic.

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    12-27-14 08:28 AM
  15. 1Criz's Avatar

    ...
    There's also a cost savings on the development side. Developing software on already tested, already optimized chips makes sense also. I think putting all those factors together justifies the decision from a company standpoint
    ...
    ^^^ This ^^^
    And here you have explanation to Classic specs "mystery"

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    12-27-14 08:34 AM
  16. idssteve's Avatar
    Reliability. Q10 "guts" are field proven.
    12-27-14 09:42 AM
  17. anon(870071)'s Avatar
    With the massive right off last year for over producing the z10 and q10 devices is it possible the Classic cannibalize those components to save cost and to create massive profits?

    Just a thought.

    Posted via CB10
    I think so too and it's really about doing good business and not wasting resources. But at the end of the day it's end user performance and the current specs does balance out the current performance with the latest version of the os.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android side loaded on the Passport!
    12-27-14 10:39 AM
  18. jimoates014's Avatar
    If anyone thinks dismantling Q and Z10s to reuse the components is cost effective think again. Need to set up a line for the job, very labour intensive, I'm just guessing here but I'll bet it would come out at 3 times the cost of new components if not more

    Passport or Z10, whichever is nearest
    12-27-14 10:58 AM
  19. blckberry4life's Avatar
    If anyone thinks dismantling Q and Z10s to reuse the components is cost effective think again. Need to set up a line for the job, very labour intensive, I'm just guessing here but I'll bet it would come out at 3 times the cost of new components if not more

    Passport or Z10, whichever is nearest
    I don't think they dismantled already assembled q10 & z10. They probably just used unused parts. I agree with something somebody said, they probably got a good deal on the chip and went that way to save on costs

    #tiredoftypingonglass
    Last edited by blckberry4life; 12-27-14 at 01:52 PM.
    12-27-14 01:38 PM
  20. yyzberry's Avatar
    Forget games- im typing this from my Classic one character at a time through the browser. That's not acceptable.
    12-27-14 02:48 PM
  21. matt4pack's Avatar
    Forget games- im typing this from my Classic one character at a time through the browser. That's not acceptable.
    That has nothing to do with the specs. It does the same on the passport. The site runs even worse in chrome.

    Donload the app.

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    12-27-14 03:52 PM
  22. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    I don't think they dismantled already assembled q10 & z10. They probably just used unused parts. I agree with something somebody said, they probably got a good deal on the chip and went that way to save on costs

    #tiredoftypingonglass
    I'd like to add that the "good deal" on the chips were likely from a large purchase during the Z10/Q10 assembly period.

    I am highly skeptical that Blackberry got a good deal on Snapdragon S4s recently because no other OEM uses the chip anymore. Everyone else has simply moved beyond that for both high and low end. The Quad Core ARM Cortex A7 chip in the Moto G seems to be the go-to low end chip now. If affordable S4s were currently available, I'd see most OEMs choosing that for their low end devices rather than MSM8226.

    Perhaps Blackberry had purchased extra Snapdragon S4s to use for future phones. More than likely I think the Z10 and Q10 sold worse than expectations and Blackberry was left with a glut of unused parts intended for future production runs of the devices, though.
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    12-27-14 08:06 PM
  23. matt4pack's Avatar
    I'd like to add that the "good deal" on the chips were likely from a large purchase during the Z10/Q10 assembly period.

    I am highly skeptical that Blackberry got a good deal on Snapdragon S4s recently because no other OEM uses the chip anymore. Everyone else has simply moved beyond that for both high and low end. The Quad Core ARM Cortex A7 chip in the Moto G seems to be the go-to low end chip now. If affordable S4s were currently available, I'd see most OEMs choosing that for their low end devices rather than MSM8226.

    Perhaps Blackberry had purchased extra Snapdragon S4s to use for future phones. More than likely I think the Z10 and Q10 sold worse than expectations and Blackberry was left with a glut of unused parts intended for future production runs of the devices, though.
    Or you know the classic costs more to produce then just a generic slab phone since it uses other specialized components like the touchpad and a physical keyboard that has to be changed for different languages.

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    Last edited by matt4pack; 12-27-14 at 08:37 PM.
    12-27-14 08:25 PM
  24. Noles26's Avatar
    Who cares? I didn't buy a classic to waste my day playing video games and watching porn. These threads are getting repetitive.



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    12-27-14 08:27 PM
  25. Edward in Toronto's Avatar
    Ummmmmm, because it's a conspiracy by the NSA to spy on us???
    sam81 likes this.
    12-27-14 10:10 PM
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