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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1002-25-14 05:03 PMLike 0 - Fixed that for you.
The link I posted makes it quite clear that wireless carriers worldwide are NOT interested in "unlimited" plans any more, in part because the explosion in demand for data along with limited and costly network capacity makes that uneconomic.
Precisely one of the points I make in my BIS FAQ.
Another major factor is that Blackberry is in no position to push proprietary networking accomodations on carriers when Blackberry's global share of the market is under 3%. Times have changed, this is not your grandpappy's BlackBerry.
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- OmnitechDragon Slayer
You liked that 9720 real good too, I hear. Broke it in the first week, right?
That is a 6 month old device, and it doesn't take much in development resources to bring out a rehash of an old product.
You're not going to be seeing significant BBOS development going forward other than perhaps a very occasional security patch if a security vulnerability gets discovered.
I never saw that. If people did, they're dumb. Trackpads are not OS-specific. If they were, they wouldn't be adding one to BB10. Keyboards are not OS-specific either.02-25-14 07:22 PMLike 0 - Fair enough, I was wrong about it being a one time device, but i think we can all be satisfied that it's in its own category, so their not moving backwards, just accommodating everyone, so they will still gave a Q like device without the belt
But i think we can all agree that the legacy OS/BIS isn't coming back anytime soon..
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BB10 w/o the belt is a more attractive for new BlackBerry users, or those that hadn't used BB7 much (e.g. as a second phone)
Time will tell
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But of course you know this.
Sent from my iPhone using CB Forums02-26-14 01:07 AMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
Unlimited anything is unlimited.
Actually the most popular BIS plans, the ones that kept the companies user base in the developing world so large for the last few years, were what is called "social plans", which included unlimited BBM (almost always), and sometimes unlimited usage of certain social media like Twitter.
Those things were instrumental in entrenching the product line in places like Indonesia, certain African countries and Latin America.
I could probably dig up 150 threads in the span of 5 minutes of searching here where people either praise BIS for "unlimited global roaming" or griped about the later unavailability of that service to them.
And those things were instrumental in getting SMB businesspeople enamored of the product, as it saved them money.
As you well know.
But as the article points-out, carriers are uninterested in any sort of "unlimited" plans any more. It's uneconomic and data demands are vastly higher than they were 5 yrs ago.
And they are uninterested in BIS, since many customers expect some sort of "unlimited" service from it, and it is a special accomodation to a company that has a microscopic market share now.
Not to mention, I'm told that many of the carriers that used to offer aggressively priced BIS plans, now offer something comparably priced to Android users anyway.02-26-14 01:18 AMLike 0 - Unlimited anything is unlimited.
Actually the most popular BIS plans, the ones that kept the companies user base in the developing world so large for the last few years, were what is called "social plans", which included unlimited BBM (almost always), and sometimes unlimited usage of certain social media like Twitter.
Those things were instrumental in entrenching the product line in places like Indonesia, certain African countries and Latin America.
I could probably dig up 150 threads in the span of 5 minutes of searching here where people either praise BIS for "unlimited global roaming" or griped about the later unavailability of that service to them.
And those things were instrumental in getting SMB businesspeople enamored of the product, as it saved them money.
As you well know.
But as the article points-out, carriers are uninterested in any sort of "unlimited" plans any more. It's uneconomic and data demands are vastly higher than they were 5 yrs ago.
And they are uninterested in BIS, since many customers expect some sort of "unlimited" service from it, and it is a special accomodation to a company that has a microscopic market share now.
Not to mention, I'm told that many of the carriers that used to offer aggressively priced BIS plans, now offer something comparably priced to Android users anyway.
And people wanted the option for unlimited roaming for which they paid, but that again didn't include streaming media.
Unlimited BIS is in no way like unlimited data plans, stop the misinformation.
For the record my BIS has never been unlimited and I've been using it since 2008.
Sent from my iPhone using CB Forum02-26-14 01:25 AMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
Whatever you say.
Guess what one of the things is that people keep pressing BlackBerry to un-limit on BBM? Image file upload size limits.
Guess what happens if they do that? I'll give you one guess.
A 16MB video or image file is probably equivalent of many hundreds of hours of user chat traffic. Do the math.
That's why RIM always had annoying restrictions on email attachment size.
No free lunch.
How about you stop the inflammatory hyperbole?
Any time ANY service provider claims to offer ANYTHING "unlimited", it leads to unpredictable service/bandwidth utilization and service quality issues because the operator cannot effectively model and project capacity requirements.
"Unlimited" service in the context of internet service has ALWAYS been a marketing fiction, pushed-for by sales and marketing people despite the fact that if it were TRULY unlimited, and customers actually tried to take advantage of that, the whole system would fall apart.
See what happens if everyone in your town all pick up the telephone at the same time and try to make a telephone call. Guess what? The whole system fails. That's because like any other electronic system, there is no such thing as "unlimited" capacity, anywhere.belfastdispatcher likes this.02-26-14 02:35 AMLike 1 - Whatever you say.
Guess what one of the things is that people keep pressing BlackBerry to un-limit on BBM? Image file upload size limits.
Guess what happens if they do that? I'll give you one guess.
A 16MB video or image file is probably equivalent of many hundreds of hours of user chat traffic. Do the math.
That's why RIM always had annoying restrictions on email attachment size.
No free lunch.
How about you stop the inflammatory hyperbole?
Any time ANY service provider claims to offer ANYTHING "unlimited", it leads to unpredictable service/bandwidth utilization and service quality issues because the operator cannot effectively model and project capacity requirements.
"Unlimited" service in the context of internet service has ALWAYS been a marketing fiction, pushed-for by sales and marketing people despite the fact that if it were TRULY unlimited, and customers actually tried to take advantage of that, the whole system would fall apart.
See what happens if everyone in your town all pick up the telephone at the same time and try to make a telephone call. Guess what? The whole system fails. That's because like any other electronic system, there is no such thing as "unlimited" capacity, anywhere.
Sent from my iPhone using CB Forums02-26-14 02:53 AMLike 0 - kbz1960Doesn't MatterYou'd be hard pushed up use 1gb of data a month on BIS using email and social networks alone, the networks know that don't kid yourself.
And people wanted the option for unlimited roaming for which they paid, but that again didn't include streaming media.
Unlimited BIS is in no way like unlimited data plans, stop the misinformation.
For the record my BIS has never been unlimited and I've been using it since 2008.
Sent from my iPhone using CB Forum02-26-14 05:35 AMLike 0 - [QUOTE=kbz1960;10055180]And that's exactly why carriers still support BIS, they know that their networks could easily clog up, there's only so many user they can support per cell tower. They know BIS is very efficient on their networks.
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That must be everywhere besides the USA? Cause the carriers here hate BIS. ]
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If it were they would just say, let me go get that sweet BBRY for you.techvisor likes this.02-26-14 06:44 AMLike 1 - Geez bfd you know full well BBRY has been in decline in the USA for years now. People weren't buying BIS, carriers or least the people working there almost ridicule someone who asks about a BBRY for years and try to steer them to an iPhone or android. Why would all of the carriers allow this if BIS is such a great deal and money saver for them?
If it were they would just say, let me go get that sweet BBRY for you.
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