- No they won't, but you know why android has a HUGE market share? Because there's SOOOO many cheap android phones.
If blackberry could make a REAL cheap BB10 phone, then MAYBE they could have some new users that are willing to give BB10 a chance buy they phone which in return would make devs spend $ developing apps for this platform.
So if they could've found a way to sell the classic at MINIMUM profit then maybe, just maybe more people would've bought it. Because having it sold out means jack, it's sold out because they haven't produce enough of it.
The passport was also sold out, and they sold 200k (supposedly) the first day. 200k is a freaking joke.
And don't tell me the classic outsold the passport, because even if they managed to sell 500k, that's still a joke.
BBRY wants to focus on enterprise, that's fine, but more and more entreprise users are using Ios/android because these platform do have a lots of business friendly apps which BB10 lacks.
I do believe blackberry can and will survive as a software company, but if they think they'll survive by leveraging the entreprise side, then they better get their crap together and find a way to at least get business devs to make apps for BB10!
Anyway, that's just my 2cents.
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10Bbnivende and ChainPunch like this.01-03-15 02:24 AMLike 2 - A bigger problem than the price and specs for consumers is that none of the stores that I have visited have an actual working model. The carriers obviously do not feel that the Classic has any sales potential. With respect to the price and specs, BlackBerry seems to have aimed below the premium Bold concept and higher than the bargain basement Curve concept.
If a business wants to buy the Classic for their employees, I do not think that the price / specs enters into the equation. The trouble for BlackBerry is that most employees and consumers would have preferred the BlackBerry flagship all touch phone or even a Z30 (with a better screen).
I can understand why BlackBerry wanted to correct the Q10 but I think Chen was wrong in thinking that the lack of a tool pad was the problem. The Q10 screen was too small. Chen should have realised that a 1:1 screen was the real problem.Last edited by Bbnivende; 01-03-15 at 03:17 AM.
01-03-15 02:46 AMLike 0 - Always found gsmarena to be objective on their reviews. Glad that the review on the classic is a fair one.
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX likes this.01-03-15 03:42 AMLike 1 - No they won't, but you know why android has a HUGE market share? Because there's SOOOO many cheap android phones.
If blackberry could make a REAL cheap BB10 phone, then MAYBE they could have some new users that are willing to give BB10 a chance buy they phone which in return would make devs spend $ developing apps for this platform.01-03-15 05:42 AMLike 0 - I'm trying to figure out what BB is doing with this phone. I work for a huge corp everyone has Iphones and I live in Cincinnati and I see Proctor and Gamble people with iPhones as they sit in Starbucks. My wife is a teacher and every email she gets from an administrator the tag reads.... Sent from my iPhone. People are using personal devices for work and they don't want this type of device.
I really want to come back to BB but I need a good camera which rules out the Passport and I want a decent screen for media consumption that rules out the Classic. The price point for the Classic is a joke and if you disagree you need to take off your blinders. If BB has to account for software costs that is their problem not mine and part of a business model problem.
I currently use a galaxy S3 off contract from Verizon hoping for a Blackberry to come out that I can use. I really don't want to go back to Samsung because of bloat but when the new S6 comes out it'll once again put BB behind 3 years at least.01-03-15 07:31 AMLike 0 -
Having it sold out means jack no matter WHAT price it sells at. Moot point.
I'm not sure I understand the joke. It means that A: they didn't make the mistake of making too many at a loss, and that B: they can make another run to meet the demand and tweak from there. it's a careful approach from a company that doesn't have money to spare and is trying make some sort of comeback. You don't think they actually expected to see Iphone numbers....did you?
I do believe blackberry can and will survive as a software company, but if they think they'll survive by leveraging the entreprise side, then they better get their crap together and find a way to at least get business devs to make apps for BB10!
Anyway, that's just my 2cents.
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01-03-15 07:33 AMLike 0 - I'm trying to figure out what BB is doing with this phone. I work for a huge corp everyone has Iphones and I live in Cincinnati and I see Proctor and Gamble people with iPhones as they sit in Starbucks. My wife is a teacher and every email she gets from an administrator the tag reads.... Sent from my iPhone. People are using personal devices for work and they don't want this type of device. .
And, do you think that simply lowering the price, say $100, is going to make all of those people you describe in the paragraph above suddenly go "hey, there's cheap BlackBerry that isn't good for media consumption and doesn't have an amazing camera....I think I'll buy it"? Of course not.
Just curious, how will the S6.....specifically.....put BB behind by "3 years at least"? Will they come out with a new way to blink twice at your phone to wake the screen or some other gimmick? Will they put in 16 cores that you don't need to make a phone call and post a picture? Will it be the size of an encyclopedia? Please, tell what the "next big thing" is. I really need to know.DeliFresser likes this.01-03-15 07:47 AMLike 1 - Apple phones are a must have item for the herd mentally, people who want to queue up all week to be the first to own a phone shows its not about owning the best phone. It's a status thing an image some people need and want for reasons they don't even understand themselves. Is a Volkswagon better than a Ferrari because you see more of them on the road? Apple have created a monster by clever advertising and marketing and by having very little competition for a long time, while BlackBerry lost their way. Now Jacky Chan is in charge watch BlackBerry go back to the top where they should be. But I don't think any one phone will suite everyone. But from day one for some unknown reason to me I've always had a BlackBerry and always will, no matter how many iPhone's I have seen in my family!
Chris. London UK01-03-15 08:17 AMLike 3 - I don't know what the next big thing is but I think the curved screen is a big start. At least Samsung is innovating, I hope BB sticks with the square and upgrades it.
You can argue about the Classic all you want but the price is high for a small screen and outdated specs...why should a physical keyboard require a premium price? I'm not looking for cheapness but 450 for this?
The Classic is geared towards maybe .01% of the population and I don't see how that brings BB back to legitimacy unless you are a poster on Crackberry.
I understand BB can't please everyone but they aren't pleasing many right now. If they want to grow they need to appeal to people like myself and not die hards who will buy anything BB.
I'm not going to go back and forth about a phone that is outdated on the day of release... Was just hoping for more from them.MarsupilamiX likes this.01-03-15 08:27 AMLike 1 - Why are you even going to Verizon store asking a sales rep about new Blackberry devices in the first place? There is better information on Crackberry, then what the Verizon reps would know. There has been no passport version that has passed the FCC that has Verizon cdma bands and thus will be no Passport coming to Verizon until that happens. I am willing to think that Verizon will not care the Passport, just like AT & T did not carry the Z30. Once Verizon sells out existing inventory of Z10s and Q10s, it would not surprise me to see Verizon carry the Passport 2 as long as the Classic sells well. Verizon is more likely not willing to take chances on new Blackberry devices that don't have a history of doing good sell numbers because of them getting burned with having Z10 and Q10 inventory that they are finding hard to sell.01-03-15 08:49 AMLike 0
- My wife wanted a keyboard Phone and I order it ,but it didn't arrived and now she cancel it. I ask here why and see really says it's to expensive to buy a downgrade in specs and she wanted to wait till it drops around 300 euro.
I ask her how she knows about the specs and she told me people at her office where checking the Phone last Friday and told here to wait because they saying it was overpriced at the moment. She like bargains and groupon, etc . I understand here it's the price and if you save some you can spend some.
I think that is what gsmarena also think. It;s good hardware but not spectatulair and the body is great and the OS is good but the price (and most reviews are touchscreen user) for a qwerty ? I don't think so.
For me it works out great with the Passport . I was used to use touchpad phone's for at least 8 years but after a few days a started to like the keyboard and the model of the Phone. I had my doubt but there are al gone and BlackBerry OS 10.3.1 works great.
edit: She useing a Z30 now and before a bold and she also has a iPhone 5 from work but that one she brings back because she don't like the homebutton and touchscreen keyboard. She also likes the hub but she really want something like here bold... so nothing negative here and YES other phones like samsung and iPhone are over the top if you think about palm, hp or even a notebook with 17 inch and keyboard is much cheaper that a iPhone and cost more to build. crazy or not ?Last edited by whatsever; 01-03-15 at 09:18 AM.
MarsupilamiX likes this.01-03-15 08:53 AMLike 1 -
See, I could say the exact same thing about whatever phone YOU think is worth whatever money YOU will pay for it. ($XXX for a Samsung....for this?)
Ah........and here it comes. Perhaps you and another guy over in another classic thread are the same person. The pointless speculative based argument that it's not for every person on the planet.
Sounds like you were hoping for higher specs, and that's it. For that, you have the Passport, or just wait for the next phone.Last edited by redlightblinking; 01-03-15 at 09:07 AM.
Vintage123 and Happystyle like this.01-03-15 08:55 AMLike 2 - My wife wanted a keyboard Phone and I order it ,but it didn't arrived and now she cancel it. I ask here why and see really says it's to expensive to buy a downgrade in specs and she wanted to wait till it drops around 250 euro. I ask her how she knows about the specs and she told me people at her office where checking the Phone last Friday and told here to wait because they saying it was overpriced at the moment. She like bargains and groupon . I understand here it's the price and if you save some you can spend some.Vintage123 and gnirkatto like this.01-03-15 08:58 AMLike 2
- From my understanding Chen was basing his views on toolbelt based on the feedback he got from some enterprise users, who more than likely have BES licenses and a good number of blackberry devices. Remember Chen personally visited these folks. So, the classic is a product of giving people what they want given that the Q10 was a failure in getting existing BBOS users to upgrade in large numbers. If the classic out sell the Q10 and/or achieves the goal of getting BBOS users to upgrade to a BB10 device then I would say Classic can be label as a success. Right now I imagine that Chen is trying to get a stable product portfolio, so that then they can work on other improvements.
The best information about planning future blackberry devices is information that most people don't have access to, which is the actual sells numbers of each Blackberry 10 device. What reviews and others seem not to get is that Blackberry does not have to sell the same numbers as Apples and others. They only have to sell enough devices that allows them operating the hardware division at a profit and provide their customers will the experience they are looking for.Xenolock and Amy wineBerry like this.01-03-15 09:04 AMLike 2 - Finally upgrading to the classic from a BB Torch 9810 (my second), a phone that only needs a spec/OS upgrade, otherwise perfect for my needs. I have tried the passport, my only complaint was no toolbelt and they messed with the original keyboard layout for no reason other than to fit it on the new form factor. That said, although the passport wasn't for me I do give them accolades for at LEAST trying something NEW, innovative....
It's like the old NASA saying, "Faster, Better, Cheaper... Pick two." In this case, it my opinion Blackberry elected Better and Cheaper for the classic, where the passport is Faster and Better.
Most phone users are used to justifying unnecessary annual upgrades by seeing higher numbers (they seldom understand) to satisfy their 'Ooh shiny' complex. The devices and software themselves are unremarkable except if you think about how much they add to the landfills. $700 devices shouldn't shatter when you drop them because everyone including the manufacturer knows you will at some point.
Consumer gadgets and the users they attract don't care so much for innovation, utility, security or build quality. They don't need their devices to last because they will lose interest by the time the next one comes out. For that reason the manufacturers of phones they buy have to tell their audience what they like and why they like it (usually marginal spec and size differences), and the herd continue to buy it justifying that model... FOLLOWERS.
Blackberry is different, they tried the consumer approach and diehards like me (that didn't realize they were diehards until they tried to get work done on the alternatives) knew what they wanted. Instead of accepting inferior products they asked for it, got it and now more people are seeing the light.... LEADERS.
P.S. Peer pressure is something most well adjusted people grapple with early in adolescence, it's not healthy to require validation your entire life. You may have a social media addiction problem if you do.
P.P.S. I do see the temptation for the Apple & Android fanbois to come troll here, circle-jerking their one dimensional views in the vacuum of their own forums must get awfully boring.01-03-15 09:08 AMLike 4 - That story PERFECTLY illustrates the point I've been making with others about this ridiculous "specs" argument. Your wife didn't care about, and didn't know about, specs. She wanted a keyboard phone and was willing to pay for it so she ordered it. Only when others convinced her of something that she didn't really care about to begin with and didn't have a chance to actually see if it made any difference, did she change her mind.
This is a typical case of an uninformed consumer getting the needed information to make a conscious buying decision.
The co-workers knew something about the phone,m she didn't and were friendly enough to tell her that she would grossly overpay for those specs.
Which is directly linked to the price/performance ratio. A ratio where basically nobody is worse than BlackBerry.anon(832122) likes this.01-03-15 09:09 AMLike 1 - The point being the phone is overpriced and circa 2009.�..I'm sorry you get so defensive over BB but you are not who BB needs to win to survive they already have you. They need me and the guy's wife which they did not get initially with the Classic. For $250 or maybe 300 I'd leave Verizon and try it but I can also shell out 300 for a Note 4... Put the two side by side and ask an average person walking in the mall which phone they want...this is who they need to win.
I don't know the relationship between BB and US carriers but it is a shame the Passport is not on display next to the Note 4 or IPhone.... I just don't see how BB gets market share with the Classic.....I'd love to know how many Classic sales are new to BB or just upgrades.MarsupilamiX likes this.01-03-15 09:14 AMLike 1 -
The only information she "needed" was that it has a keyboard and she wanted a keyboard. Only when her "friends" scared her out of it by filling her head with information she doens't understand did she cancel the order. I'd be willing to bet if her "friends" told her this AFTER she had the device, she would most likely have said "seems to run fine and I love this keyboard".
Ha, that's funny. I know something about the Iphone that people who grossly overpay for those don't know. Perhaps they should send them back.
You can talk in circles all day if you'd like, you're still saying the same thing over and over and over. That the only thing anyone should ever choose their phone on is how many cycles the processor makes per second.01-03-15 09:15 AMLike 0 - Actually no.
This is a typical case of an uninformed consumer getting the needed information to make a conscious buying decision.
The co-workers knew something about the phone,m she didn't and were friendly enough to tell her that she would grossly overpay for those specs.
Which is directly linked to the price/performance ratio. A ratio where basically nobody is worse than BlackBerry.
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX likes this.01-03-15 09:18 AMLike 1 - I don't know about it being circa 2009, but what I do know...
The folks who don't care or pay attention to the Classic's specs now, will care when it's EOL is years shorter than the Passport, possibly even the Z30.
Lotta bloviating and accusations going on here. I don't want to put the thread on ice, but it's getting tempting.01-03-15 09:20 AMLike 0 -
- You could say that EXACT SAME THING about anyone buying an iphone not realizing all the things they are getting screwed on or are not getting by not buying some other phone.
The only information she "needed" was that it has a keyboard and she wanted a keyboard. Only when her "friends" scared her out of it by filling her head with information she doens't understand did she cancel the order. I'd be willing to bet if her "friends" told her this AFTER she had the device, she would most likely have said "seems to run fine and I love this keyboard".
Posted via CB1001-03-15 09:22 AMLike 0 - And now.....the loss of credibility stage. The phone has the same specs of the previous BB10 devices running the same software, that came out in........2013. Exaggerate much?
This is known as the attack stage. Maybe it's you who gets so offensive.
Makes no sense. If they already have me it's because I choose what they sell. Clearly they want to KEEP me. That is exactly what Chen said when introducing this device. You might as well have said "Apple doesn't need to make another slight;y different I-device because they aleady have people who bought those." See how silly that sounds?
to win WHAT?
What difference does it make? A SALE IS A SALE. If a guy buys a Ford Truck, then buys another one 5 years later (an upgrade) didn't Ford still sell a truck?Amy wineBerry and sk8er_tor like this.01-03-15 09:23 AMLike 2 -
This I my hope that Blackberry is playing chess not checkers, as they are doing moves now that are a setup for better things to come down the line. Only time will tell if my faith in Blackberry and Chen is correct. I am keyboard and toolbelt person, so the first generation classic will be fine for me coming from a curve BBOS device. If there is a Classic 2 in the pipeline, my hope that it at the very least has Passport 1 specs if it release a year from now.Alain_A likes this.01-03-15 09:24 AMLike 1
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