- And it's pretty good: design (one handed use), camera, efficiency, even battery life with a score that I don't really consider stellar (62h ?)
Biggest grip would be the price linked to the Snapdragon CPU.
BlackBerry Classic review: For old times' sake - GSMArena.com
01-02-15 10:04 AMLike 5 - The Benchmarks are brutal. Every 150$ smartphone out of China gets better benchmarks.
The price of their hardware.... Is ridiculous.
The verdict, that it's an overpriced device for basically no one, is the same as in pretty other review.
It was written in a friendlier way than most other reviews though.
Overall, the tone is basically the same in all of the non CrackBerry reviews I read:
Overpriced
Underspecced
Inexistant Ecosystem
Allegedly for BlackBerry diehards, but....
Who should actually buy this outdated and overpriced phone, even within the BlackBerry community?
But, to read a review that actually puts a focus on the potential target market (I doubt that this market actually still exists though), has practically no biased negativity, and was actually thorough, is nice for a change.01-02-15 11:39 AMLike 4 - The Benchmarks are brutal. Every 150$ smartphone out of China gets better benchmarks.
The price of their hardware.... Is ridiculous.
The verdict, that it's an overpriced device for basically no one, is the same as in pretty other review.
It was written in a friendlier way than most other reviews though.
Overall, the tone is basically the same in all of the non CrackBerry reviews I read:
Overpriced
Underspecced
Inexistant Ecosystem
Allegedly for BlackBerry diehards, but....
Who should actually buy this outdated and overpriced phone, even within the BlackBerry community?
But, to read a review that actually puts a focus on the potential target market (I doubt that this market actually still exists though), has practically no biased negativity, and was actually thorough, is nice for a change.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1001-02-15 12:06 PMLike 20 - Overpriced for the specs, but does any of those $150 phones have a physical keyboard and an OS that take advantage of the keyboard using shortcuts, universal search, speed dialing, etc.?? So yes, for the specs, it's overpriced, but there are no other phones with the features that I want.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10AthenaSmith and FF22 like this.01-02-15 12:13 PMLike 2 - Overpriced for the specs, but does any of those $150 phones have a physical keyboard and an OS that take advantage of the keyboard using shortcuts, universal search, speed dialing, etc.?? So yes, for the specs, it's overpriced, but there are no other phones with the features that I want.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
How many of your kin are still around?
I said that the Review was actually pretty friendly. But no pretty words can mask the huge possibility that this phone is DOA for 99.99% of potential smartphone buyers.
And every good review will point that out.
You can argue about the extent of this pointing out though.
The Verge had a really nasty review, going by their tone. Whereas GSM Arena was by far friendlier in their assessments.
But both reviews say very clearly that the phone is ridiculously overpriced and that there isn't really a market for such a phone.01-02-15 12:57 PMLike 0 - 01-02-15 01:03 PMLike 22
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It's about the price/performance ratio and future proofing.
The price difference between the hardware in the Classic and something better, is so negligible that BlackBerry could have used better specs just to not rip off their customers completely.
The Classic is a de facto 200$ (50$ over the cheap Android because it has a keyboard) phone and every good review I read, pointed that out.
BlackBerry is on a roll with their ridiculous pricing though.
We now have the Playbook, the Z10/Q5, the Z30, the Classic and that ridiculous 200$ leather pouch for the Passport, that I could get cheaper even when my tailor makes it.
No self-respecting manufacturer would sell a device like the Classic for 450$, in 2015.
And actually, no, I read about 7 reviews now, and the spec argument is just one part of the whole equation.
Those reviews suppose 3 other things though:
The market for a device like the Classic is basically inexistant.
The ecosystem is so bad that this won't change soon.
Who still types on a physical keyboard?
And all those things are of major importance for at least 99.5% of smartphone buyersLuvULongTime likes this.01-02-15 01:09 PMLike 1 - The only question is....
How many of your kin are still around?
I said that the Review was actually pretty friendly. But no pretty words can mask the huge possibility that this phone is DOA for 99.99% of potential smartphone buyers.
And every good review will point that out.
You can argue about the extent of this pointing out though.
The Verge had a really nasty review, going by their tone. Whereas GSM Arena was by far friendlier in their assessments.
But both reviews say very clearly that the phone is ridiculously overpriced and that there isn't really a market for such a phone.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10mk2234 and Umaima_B_Dia like this.01-02-15 01:29 PMLike 2 -
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10Umaima_B_Dia likes this.01-02-15 01:30 PMLike 1 - If only this phone was $350 upon release. In 2015 if they release a similar model with a quad core, 1080p display, 3G ram. I'll happily pay $500 for it.
Some phone may have unnecessary gimmicky specs but having good specs do make a difference.
Posted via BlackBerry Classic01-02-15 01:42 PMLike 4 - Good review!
I find it pretty funny that right after the reviewer gets done talking about how terrible the Classic is on benchmarks, he immediately says "Thankfully, its real-life performance paints a different picture - the QNX-based BlackBerry OS 10.3.1 is smooth and responsive even on such old hardware," and goes on to talk about how nice the browser is.
People who value benchmark tests above real-world performance are like people who look at a big Dow Jones closing number and say "Look at that big number! The economy is doing great!"
From a Z3001-02-15 01:51 PMLike 7 - The only question is....
How many of your kin are still around?
I said that the Review was actually pretty friendly. But no pretty words can mask the huge possibility that this phone is DOA for 99.99% of potential smartphone buyers.
And every good review will point that out.
You can argue about the extent of this pointing out though.
The Verge had a really nasty review, going by their tone. Whereas GSM Arena was by far friendlier in their assessments.
But both reviews say very clearly that the phone is ridiculously overpriced and that there isn't really a market for such a phone.
Posted via CB10ZayDub likes this.01-02-15 01:52 PMLike 1 - The only question is....
How many of your kin are still around?
I said that the Review was actually pretty friendly. But no pretty words can mask the huge possibility that this phone is DOA for 99.99% of potential smartphone buyers.
And every good review will point that out.
You can argue about the extent of this pointing out though.
The Verge had a really nasty review, going by their tone. Whereas GSM Arena was by far friendlier in their assessments.
But both reviews say very clearly that the phone is ridiculously overpriced and that there isn't really a market for such a phone.And after probably 1 year, you still don't get it.
It's about the price/performance ratio and future proofing.
The price difference between the hardware in the Classic and something better, is so negligible that BlackBerry could have used better specs just to not rip off their customers completely.
The Classic is a de facto 200$ (50$ over the cheap Android because it has a keyboard) phone and every good review I read, pointed that out.
BlackBerry is on a roll with their ridiculous pricing though.
We now have the Playbook, the Z10/Q5, the Z30, the Classic and that ridiculous 200$ leather pouch for the Passport, that I could get cheaper even when my tailor makes it.
No self-respecting manufacturer would sell a device like the Classic for 450$, in 2015.
And actually, no, I read about 7 reviews now, and the spec argument is just one part of the whole equation.
Those reviews suppose 3 other things though:
The market for a device like the Classic is basically inexistant.
The ecosystem is so bad that this won't change soon.
Who still types on a physical keyboard?
And all those things are of major importance for at least 99.5% of smartphone buyers
BlackBerry has had difficulty selling to a majority of smartphone buyers at large, and so it has redefined its target audience. Reviews done by the WSJ and NYT effectively manage to point his out, as do the Verge and GSM Arena.mk2234 likes this.01-02-15 02:00 PMLike 1 -
If that phone catches 0.1% of the market in 2015, I'd call it a miracle.
You're a former CEO, you should know exactly that being sold out, means nothing on its own.
Apple is sold out when their phones launch, pretty much the moment you can buy them.
And with every single iPhone release, they got a higher number of Day 1 sales than the year before.
For them, being sold out is a clear sign of being successful.
When BlackBerry talks about sold out, I rather think of the Z10/Z30/Q5 kind of being sold out.
The kind where you get a huge write-off 2 months after you're "sold out".
Nobody knows how many Classics have been sold.
We just know that BlackBerry apparently is "sold out" in some regions of the world.
But what's the number behind that? Did BlackBerry sell some 500k Classics in the last few weeks? Or were it rather 50k?
Being sold out, is such a useless metric for this discussion...Last edited by MarsupilamiX; 01-02-15 at 02:26 PM.
01-02-15 02:02 PMLike 3 -
It's not about caring about what others think of our phones, we're on CB, pretty much everyone on here has a BBRY and we wouldn't if we bought our phones listening to reviews.
The problem is, blackberry needs to get out of a huge hole, and selling the classic at 450 when the majority of smartphone buyers aren't into PK anymore is not going to help them get out of it.
Posted via CB1001-02-15 02:08 PMLike 5 - Who said anything about you caring what others think?
Same question as before.
When I say nobody, you have to see it in a global context.
If that phone catches 0.1% of the market in 2015, I'd call it a miracle.
You're a former CEO, you should know exactly that being sold out, means nothing on its own.
Apple is sold out when their phones launch, pretty much the moment you can buy them.
And with every single iPhone release, they got a higher number of Day 1 sales than the year before.
For them, being sold out is a clear sign of being successful.
When BlackBerry talks about sold out, I rather think of the Z10/Z30/Q5 kind of being sold out.
The kind where you get a huge write-off 2 months after you're "sold out".
Nobody knows how many Classics have been sold.
We just know that BlackBerry apparently is "sold out" in some regions of the world.
But what's the number behind that? Did BlackBerry sell some 500k Classics in the last few weeks? Or were it rather 50k?
Being sold out, is such a useless metric for this discussion...
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1001-02-15 03:18 PMLike 0 - I understand what you're saying, but I think you're not looking at it the same way the OP does.
It's not about caring about what others think of our phones, we're on CB, pretty much everyone on here has a BBRY and we wouldn't if we bought our phones listening to reviews.
The problem is, blackberry needs to get out of a huge hole, and selling the classic at 450 when the majority of smartphone buyers aren't into PK anymore is not going to help them get out of it.
Posted via CB10
Or are you suggesting that by making it cheaper that all of a sudden the people who are obsessed about 6" screens and/or iOS would have bought the Classic?
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1001-02-15 03:21 PMLike 4 - After probably 1 year? what?
While they could have upgraded the specs as you mention, you are forgetting this phone is now one of a kind. It offers something no other phone on the market offers. And there was a pent up demand for it. Soooo..........basic business sense would say you don't need to stack it with specs.
The Classic is a de facto 200$ (50$ over the cheap Android because it has a keyboard) phone and every good review I read, pointed that out.
BlackBerry is on a roll with their ridiculous pricing though.
We now have the Playbook, the Z10/Q5, the Z30, the Classic and that ridiculous 200$ leather pouch for the Passport, that I could get cheaper even when my tailor makes it.
No self-respecting manufacturer would sell a device like the Classic for 450$, in 2015.
And actually, no, I read about 7 reviews now, and the spec argument is just one part of the whole equation.
Those reviews suppose 3 other things though:
The market for a device like the Classic is basically inexistant.
The ecosystem is so bad that this won't change soon.
Who still types on a physical keyboard?
And all those things are of major importance for at least 99.5% of smartphone buyers
But, who cares what reviewers say. I certainly don't care what they say any more than people I know who buy Iphones. If you wanted a physical keyboard, you wouldn't care what a reviewer says about some other factor or care if you were considering non-existant (which is obviously not true to begin with.mk2234 and clickitykeys like this.01-02-15 04:15 PMLike 2 - Apparently enough to sell out the initial production run of the phone and enough worth satisfying to keep a core base of customers worth leaving. Again, business 101.
And? Was there a point you were making? Besides simply making a total guess at what the market might be interested in?AthenaSmith and clickitykeys like this.01-02-15 04:20 PMLike 2 - Blackberry has always kept the line that the Classic are for those BBOS (curve and bold users) who needed an upgrade path to a physical keyboard device with the familiar toolbet that is running BB10. For the reviewers and others who ignore that fact shows that they did not do their research.01-02-15 04:23 PMLike 3
- Um, you did several times when you keep talking about reviewers, and what 99.99999999999% of the world thinks. (or whatever made up number you used)
Apple is sold out when their phones launch, pretty much the moment you can buy them.
And with every single iPhone release, they got a higher number of Day 1 sales than the year before.
For them, being sold out is a clear sign of being successful.
When BlackBerry talks about sold out, I rather think of the Z10/Z30/Q5 kind of being sold out.
The kind where you get a huge write-off 2 months after you're "sold out".
Nobody knows how many Classics have been sold.
We just know that BlackBerry apparently is "sold out" in some regions of the world.
But what's the number behind that? Did BlackBerry sell some 500k Classics in the last few weeks? Or were it rather 50k?
Being sold out, is such a useless metric for this discussion...01-02-15 04:31 PMLike 0 - I always take reviews with a grain of salt, the most important critics BlackBerry has to please is the enterprise consumer for whom the device was marketed for, only time will tell if it hit the mark.
Sent from my lovely Classic on T Mobile USA01-02-15 05:13 PMLike 4 - Overpriced for the specs, but does any of those $150 phones have a physical keyboard and an OS that take advantage of the keyboard using shortcuts, universal search, speed dialing, etc.?? So yes, for the specs, it's overpriced, but there are no other phones with the features that I want.
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
Posted from my awesome Classic.Last edited by TgeekB; 01-03-15 at 07:36 AM.
01-02-15 05:32 PMLike 5 -
Posted via CB10Senor Wright likes this.01-02-15 05:34 PMLike 1 - The Classic isn't really marketed as being for most smartphone buyers though, so what's important to most consumers was never really the point.
BlackBerry has had difficulty selling to a majority of smartphone buyers at large, and so it has redefined its target audience. Reviews done by the WSJ and NYT effectively manage to point his out, as do the Verge and GSM Arena.
Those guys shouldn't look at a BlackBerry, like the CB editorial staff. It's their job to know exactly what other devices are capable of and why those are a better choice for some 99.5% of the market.
I also think that you missed the not so subtle hints in the NYT and the WSJ which all have the same thesis:
The device is meant for keyboard and legacy OS die hards. But is that actually still a market worth catering to?
And if yes, with those specs and price?01-02-15 05:50 PMLike 2
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