[kobnyc]

You guys... "people" won't think anything relax.

Let me tell you about people.

"People" don't even know bb10 exists.
"People" think the Q10 is the new bold.
"People" aren't aware of the z10 and z30
"People" besides CB, don't know or care about QNX
"People" don't know about the whole gesture OS except the BlackBerry fan brigade who have been shouting about it.

Blackberry is in a position that it could use the samsung logo and call it the Microsoft Z50 and nobody would notice or care because of the non existent advertising it does.

You really think the superbowl ads or these silly peek and flow commercials tell the full story about bb10 = gesture this and that, the "people" know nothing... yet, whereas "you people "go LOOKING for ads, big difference between you AND them.

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Dude's got a serious point here...

Kobnyc

[ShamrockRagEll]

Q10 owner here. In fact, I own two Q10's. Love this phone, but the analogy is flawed.

Cars speed you up more than 100x the speed of riding on a horse.

Text selection/highlighting, answering/denying/hanging up phone calls are simply easier and faster to do with a trackpad and function keys.

Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.

I heard people saying it's easier. There are more than one opinion about this topic. As for the analogy: I was talking about complicity.

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[Krzysztof Patyna]

I think the actual track pad in Q20 is not going to be what we have experienced so far. It'll be something completely new. Something that makes people stop and pay attention. If they wanted to release the new model with an added belt from the legacy devices they would have done it already. Let us not forget about the all touch physical keyboard which concept surfaced few times in the news. I think it'll be revolving around that.

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[JAS0NB0URNE]

I heard people saying it's easier. There are more than one opinion about this topic. As for the analogy: I was talking about complicity.

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It's indisputable that a physical button to accept/reject/hang up is quicker than a swipe...currently, you press to swipe. Physical button you just press. You also don't have to look at the phone to do so with physical buttons.

Selecting text with a touch screen is not as accurate/efficient as with a trackpad.

These are facts that I admit to as a Q10 lover that don't make me enjoy my phone any less.

I know what your analogy was, I pointed out the flaw in it.


Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.

[JAS0NB0URNE]

I think the actual track pad in Q20 is not going to be what we have experienced so far. It'll be something completely new. Something that makes people stop and pay attention. If they wanted to release the new model with an added belt from the legacy devices they would have done it already. Let us not forget about the all touch physical keyboard which concept surfaced few times in the news. I think it'll be revolving around that.

Posted via BlackBerry Z10

John Chen in the official release of the Q20 said it will be the same. He also said his predecessors at BlackBerry made a mistake by not having the trackpad and function row with the first set of qwerty BB10 phones.

Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.

[Krzysztof Patyna]

Crap!..and I had my hopes high. Oh well, there's always Z30 or its successor. Thanks for your feedback!

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[JAS0NB0URNE]

Crap!..and I had my hopes high. Oh well, there's always Z30 or its successor. Thanks for your feedback!

Posted via BlackBerry Z10

There will be future keyboard devices without the trackpad and function keys row, presumably with a larger screen than Q10.

Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.

[waterfrontmgmt]

What kind of logic is that? Cars were slightly more productive than horses.

When mankind switched from riding horses to driving cars people found it to be very complicated because they were used to the horses. The German Kaiser even predicted the car is just a fashion thing that will dissappear soon again.

What I'm saying is, that we can't stick to old routines forever in order to move on. There's many Q10 owners out there that say they're at least as productive as they were on their legacy device. What are you an 80 year old senior?

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[waterfrontmgmt]

I hope it's not exactly the same. I would prefer a straight one.

John Chen in the official release of the Q20 said it will be the same. He also said his predecessors at BlackBerry made a mistake by not having the trackpad and function row with the first set of qwerty BB10 phones.

Posted with my ?Q10 running 10.2.1.1925.

[ShamrockRagEll]

What kind of logic is that? Cars were slightly more productive than horses.

And more complicated because people weren't used to them.

All I'm saying is that blackberry would have a bigger victory if they invented some kind of digital track pad that makes the device more productive instead of bringing back an element from the stone age and at the same time admit that they couldn't find a modern/new way to do so.

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[waterfrontmgmt]

Still flawed.

[johnnyuk]

Why so much hate for tool belt? John Chen & his team know exactly what they are doing.

This is totally unproven. Let's see how the Q20 actually sells before stating that John Chen's team know what they are doing. There were enough claims like that with Thorsten Heins in charge in the lead up to the launch of BB10. You'd think people would learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others before they state the unknown as fact.

It's always good to have options & choices. Look at Samsung, how many Galaxy versions they launch each year.

Yes, look at how many of them have a physical Qwerty keyboard and a "tool belt".

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[DYLANHABKIRK]

"It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." - Steve Jobs

I find your quote slightly contradictory to your argument. I would advise you read it again, and think of the implications it has against your argument.

While you claim to have a background in advertising, I think it is unfair to claim that "People" as a whole will discredit BlackBerry further for providing more options to it's clientele.

Furthermore, as an "Advertising Agent" you should know that market research is essential before making inane claims. Until you can show us proof of your concept, I think it's fair to completely discredit your entire forums post.

That ^ is not getting personal, that is stating facts.

Facts are missing from your argument, which render them inane.

[waterfrontmgmt]

^ I agree 100% ^

[Sesameopen]

I agree with some points, being that the tool belt is already outdated, so why can't blackberry make a tool belt phone and sell it as a "mid-range" device, for the fanbase, and call it the say Bold 10 or something, and continue the Q line as "innovation"

[xBURK]

I agree with some points, being that the tool belt is already outdated, so why can't blackberry make a tool belt phone and sell it as a "mid-range" device, for the fanbase, and call it the say Bold 10 or something, and continue the Q line as "innovation"

Well, I don't think you can say you're listening to enterprise customers and then give them a band aid solution.

Plus., Mr.Chen's number one goal is to hold on to enterprise accounts. He has to give them something that workers can be proud to own. A high end device is the only way he can show that he is serious.

I've said it before, but I very much doubt Mr. Chen will be releasing a device that looks dated. In fact, I bet the track pad may have improvements that we didn't even know was possible. I think many will be surprised at the final result.

I could be wrong of course. If I am, I and any one else can simply chose a different model. At least the record number of complaints towards the Q10's will be answered.





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[BoldBigWorm]

Yo bud blackberry makes a bunch of models if it ain't your cup of tea try a coffee or a latte.

[slagman5]

When mankind switched from riding horses to driving cars people found it to be very complicated because they were used to the horses. The German Kaiser even predicted the car is just a fashion thing that will dissappear soon again.

What I'm saying is, that we can't stick to old routines forever in order to move on. There's many Q10 owners out there that say they're at least as productive as they were on their legacy device. What are you an 80 year old senior?

Posted via CB10

Wow, what a bad analogy. Nobody is going backward in technology here. They are ADDING a feature previously present. We are not going from a car to a horse, it'll still have every modern feature the Q10 has and more. It's a step forward in technology just with the ADDITION of another optional way to interface with it. I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept for you to understand. Please show me how it will be a step backward? What modern feature will the Q20 NOT have??

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[Bbnivende]

And more complicated because people weren't used to them.

All I'm saying is that blackberry would have a bigger victory if they invented some kind of digital track pad that makes the device more productive instead of bringing back an element from the stone age and at the same time admit that they couldn't find a modern/new way to do so.

Posted via CB10

No not really. IPhone users like their home key. Still I would rather have a 3.8 inch screen and no trackpad than a Q20. Who wants a 3.1 inch screen and no trackpad?

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[Ray III]

When mankind switched from riding horses to driving cars people found it to be very complicated because they were used to the horses.

Going from BBOS to BB10 is kind of like going from the car to the horse though. We have to learn to navigate without any controls, and the experience just isn't as fast.

[meztek]

I'd like to start this thread with a quote by Steve Jobs (yes the apple guy)
It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."
? Steve Jobs

That is exactly why I prefer my BlackBerry to an iPhone. I know what I want, and BlackBerry is great for me because they make phones that work for me, unlike Apple, *telling* me what I want. The "people" Jobs refers to are Apple customers, not BlackBerry customers. Different markets, that is all.

[Joe Clean]

That is exactly why I prefer my BlackBerry to an iPhone. I know what I want, and BlackBerry is great for me because they make phones that work for me, unlike Apple, *telling* me what I want. The "people" Jobs refers to are Apple customers, not BlackBerry customers. Different markets, that is all.

So you're saying BlackBerry gives you what you want (smartphones that work for you)? Please, do elaborate.

[dejanh]

Even if the q20 is just one model in the portfolio it makes a statement. Being in advertising myself I can tell you: it's not a good one. People will say "why are they taking a step back? Did the "all gesture based" concept not work out?" people will think that blackberry doesn't know what they want or that they failed. And people want to be on the winning side, so they will get an android or iPhone.

That is just how I feel about it. I hope I'm wrong trust me.

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Very well put. Perception is everything. Q20 just makes the gesture based OS look like a failure. The public will not perceive it as "just helping out legacy users". They will perceive it as an admission that the UI paradigm set forward by BlackBerry 10 failed.

Here's a little thought. This niche that BBRY is supposedly going after are high end, business executives that have never spent a day on Crackberry. They don't know what sideload means and they don't have a lot of time to learn new OS's...since they are on their phone from the time they get up in the morning until they go to sleep at night....non stop.

So this might be the perfect phone for BBRY's new "niche" market. Haters can put that in their pipe and smoke it.

Haha, you made a funny.

High end business executives are a niche? How many devices are they planning to sell? 100,000?

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[Pete The Penguin]

I'd like to start this thread with a quote by Steve Jobs (yes the apple guy)

It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."
? Steve Jobs

Why am I doing this? Because I think bringing back the tool belt bears a lot of dangers:

1. By listening to the long term blackberry customers you might make the fan base happy, but scare off a lot of potential clients. Why? Because you go back to a style people think looks dated.

2. You destroy everything you build up with BlackBerry 10. When I got my z10 I could brag about how os10 is innovative and completely gesture based - it won't be anymore with the tool belt. You will make the os feel archaic.

3. If all brands would have listened to what the clients would have liked we'd probably wouldn't have computers, phones or any other invention one person thought of. And that's exactly what I want to say:

Innovation doesn't come from a group of people. It comes from an individual/one company with a Vision. I hope blackberry has one and isn't just trying to please us BlackBerry fans from now on. I think it could be their end.

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Let's get one thing absolutely clear: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY A BLACKBERRY Q20.

[Pete The Penguin]

OMG, I swear, if I read another one of these making these same claims...

It won't "scare away" potential new customers because it's not REPLACING any of the other formats!!!!! If you think a normal qwerty or an all-touch device will generate more interest from outsiders, THEY WILL STILL BE MADE AND RELEASED!! This is in ADDITION to these existing styles of phone, not IN PLACE of...

Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10

I see the haters/mythical Norwegian creatures/crackpots are loose again.

Do they not understand (a) this will be one of several second generation BB10 devices?
(b) they don't have to buy one?

Slagman, please shoot me now...