1. johnnydoesai's Avatar
    Could something like this sell? (Candy-bar type Bold)-default-front.png

    I just realized that the iPhone 6 and the Bold 9900 have almost identical width (66mm vs 67mm)

    So I photoshopped the Bold keyboard/keys onto the iphone 6

    (Sorry for the bad quality, but its meant as an demonstration)

    Personally I love the size of my iPhone 6 (not the Plus. Its just too big)

    However I also miss the pkb on the Bold terribly.

    Do you guys think this kind of form factor could sell?
    lactose likes this.
    10-06-15 04:52 AM
  2. jaydee5799's Avatar
    Lose the pkb. There are too many pkb phones coming from BB.
    10-06-15 05:24 AM
  3. moegh's Avatar
    If yes, not for me

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    10-06-15 05:28 AM
  4. idssteve's Avatar
    Yes. IMO. Classic's "Enter" key is a tenuous stretch for my left thumb. Likewise, "Alt" key for right thumb. Makes out-of-position (laying on back under equipment) singlehanded use impossible, for me. My thumbs are probably longer than average.

    "Alt" & "Enter" are within comfortable singlehanded reach on curved keyboard 9900. In ALL positions.

    Oversized "bigger is better" market is reaching saturation, imo. A complaint voiced routinely when asked about my proficiency with 9900. In conference rooms, supermarket lines, elevators, busses, etc. Consumers' skills are evolving. Once the novelty of short learning curve "finger painting" skill set wears thin, some might value long term efficiency of alternate concepts. BlackBerry is well positioned to offer such alternatives, imo.

    Of course maintaining 1:1 AR with your narrow concept would force a shorter device as well. That's good! Classic is about 1/4" too tall, imo. Too tall for secure out-of-position grasp. My hands are at least average. No need for monster sized screens once trackpad skills are mastered.
    10-06-15 05:46 AM
  5. mad_mdx's Avatar
    Yes. IMO. Classic's "Enter" key is a tenuous stretch for my left thumb. Likewise, "Alt" key for right thumb. Makes out-of-position (laying on back under equipment) singlehanded use impossible, for me. My thumbs are probably longer than average.

    "Alt" & "Enter" are within comfortable singlehanded reach on curved keyboard 9900. In ALL positions.

    Oversized "bigger is better" market is reaching saturation, imo. A complaint voiced routinely when asked about my proficiency with 9900. In conference rooms, supermarket lines, elevators, busses, etc. Consumers' skills are evolving. Once the novelty of short learning curve "finger painting" skill set wears thin, some might value long term efficiency of alternate concepts. BlackBerry is well positioned to offer such alternatives, imo.

    Of course maintaining 1:1 AR with your narrow concept would force a shorter device as well. That's good! Classic is about 1/4" too tall, imo. Too tall for secure out-of-position grasp. My hands are at least average. No need for monster sized screens once trackpad skills are mastered.
    Get a q10, you've literally described it.
    10-06-15 10:26 AM
  6. idssteve's Avatar
    Get a q10, you've literally described it.
    Got one. Deactivated. In drawer. Useless POS without tool belt.
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    10-06-15 10:39 AM
  7. elkadri's Avatar
    Add green and red to call/end call and also 1-9 as red and im on it.

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    10-06-15 02:24 PM
  8. mad_mdx's Avatar
    Got one. Deactivated. In drawer. Useless POS without tool belt.
    Lol man... go back to the bold. Technology might not be for you
    10-06-15 03:18 PM
  9. slagman5's Avatar
    Lose the pkb. There are too many pkb phones coming from BB.
    You only have like a million other phones to choose from then...

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    10-06-15 03:23 PM
  10. slagman5's Avatar
    Lol man... go back to the bold. Technology might not be for you
    Really? The trackpad is newer tech than the touchscreen. So i guess technology might not be for you.

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    10-06-15 03:24 PM
  11. idssteve's Avatar
    Lol man... go back to the bold. Technology might not be for you
    Never left the Bold. Use it everyday. Use my Classic almost everyday. Many times both simultaneously, one in each hand. After 7+ months using my Classic, i've concluded that it's uncomfortably oversized for my tastes. Nothing "high tech" about oversized products. Real tech makes more capability more comfortable. Not less, less.

    I don't get the "bigger is better" size envy mentality. Learn to use your trackpad and toolbelt and you won't need monster screen estate. In fact, i routinely Miracast my Classic into a 99" flat panel for times i might want bigger view. Way too easy. Why carry around a monster screen the rest of the time? Trackpad assists navigating Miracast without having to look away from the panel to look at the device! Do THAT with your toolbeltless Q or Z!

    Q10, as introduced, was a crippled, useless, abomination, IMO. OS updates have improved its usefulness but lack of toolbelt will always represent a technological step backward, IMO. Its physical dimensions are close to perfection, tho. Add a tool belt to that form factor and i'm authorized to purchase 26 of them NOW!... even at slightly unreasonable price.
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    10-06-15 04:34 PM
  12. krugbot's Avatar
    Never left the Bold. Use it everyday. Use my Classic almost everyday. Many times both simultaneously, one in each hand. After 7+ months using my Classic, i've concluded that it's uncomfortably oversized for my tastes. Nothing "high tech" about oversized products. Real tech makes more capability more comfortable. Not less, less.

    I don't get the "bigger is better" size envy mentality. Learn to use your trackpad and toolbelt and you won't need monster screen estate. In fact, i routinely Miracast my Classic into a 99" flat panel for times i might want bigger view. Way too easy. Why carry around a monster screen the rest of the time? Trackpad assists navigating Miracast without having to look away from the panel to look at the device! Do THAT with your toolbeltless Q or Z!

    Q10, as introduced, was a crippled, useless, abomination, IMO. OS updates have improved its usefulness but lack of toolbelt will always represent a technological step backward, IMO. Its physical dimensions are close to perfection, tho. Add a tool belt to that form factor and i'm authorized to purchase 26 of them NOW!... even at slightly unreasonable price.
    I agree with you on the size of the Classic. I was a bit disappointed when it was revealed to be even larger than the Q10. I love the size of the Q10, even if it was larger than my previous phone, but the lack of the toolbelt was off-putting. I have to believe someone could design a phone with a decent sized screen, good keyboard layout, a toolbelt, and remain about the same size as the Q10. That'd be my ideal phone. Or, a slider with a toolbelt that's the size of the Q10 when the slide is closed.
    idssteve likes this.
    10-07-15 10:31 AM
  13. ChrisLeNeve's Avatar
    My first thought is: what a terrible looking phone, there's no way that will ever sell. But then again that's what we said for the Passport. The design would definitely be a love-or-hate kind of thing but people do love PKBs and people do want long screens for media consumption. So who knows. I would support it because I want variety on the market.

    Forgive my typos, I don't look when I type
    10-07-15 10:36 AM
  14. idssteve's Avatar
    I agree with you on the size of the Classic. I was a bit disappointed when it was revealed to be even larger than the Q10. I love the size of the Q10, even if it was larger than my previous phone, but the lack of the toolbelt was off-putting. I have to believe someone could design a phone with a decent sized screen, good keyboard layout, a toolbelt, and remain about the same size as the Q10. That'd be my ideal phone. Or, a slider with a toolbelt that's the size of the Q10 when the slide is closed.
    Exactly. The Q10 explored the upper limits of human hand ergonomic comfort, IMO. Unless they can invent some technology to mitigate average hand size (surface texture, grip treads on edges, velcro straps, ... ?? ) Larger devices make for narrower consumer interest, IMO. HALF of my crew of 26 HATE the size of the Classic. Mostly smaller handed. Hand fatigue drives them back to 9900's by end of a long hard day. Typically during one of our QC marathons. An admittedly unusual application but an indicative laboratory, NTL.
    10-07-15 11:33 AM
  15. JeBe4's Avatar
    The Classic keyboard size is perfect, if anything I wouldn't mind if it were actually bigger! Would make it even more less cramped. I'm trying to type out emails and texts not look cool. My phone is a communication device not a fashion statement

    J Be....Here But Gone...
    10-08-15 12:11 AM
  16. idssteve's Avatar
    The Classic keyboard size is perfect, if anything I wouldn't mind if it were actually bigger! Would make it even more less cramped. I'm trying to type out emails and texts not look cool. My phone is a communication device not a fashion statement

    J Be....Here But Gone...
    Some of us value single handed capability. Our Classics are the most single handed friendly BB10 device yet. A few of us feel that its size makes secure single handed grasp uncomfortably tenuous under out-of-position conditions, tho. No "fashion statement" involved in that conclusion that I'm aware of.

    If you feel the keyboard is cramped, that's certainly a valid conclusion as well. Different folks, ya know... . Classic, Q10 and 9900 keyboards work marvelously efficiently via thumb nail. I, for one, have always trimmed my thumb nail shape to optimize keyboard use. Never a problem even with the tiny old 9650 keyboard. Might consider trying thumb nail, if you're not already? Justa thought.
    10-08-15 12:48 AM
  17. yohannrjm's Avatar
    This may work for some people. Just as some people like the ergonomics of the Classic.

    There has to be a very good reason for BlackBerry to even consider another design for their pkb phones. A small percentage of a very small percentage of people is not going to make them even consider another phone design. The Classic is easy for most of its users to use single-handed, so there's little reason for them to mess with the design.

    As for me, I'd be happy with an updated Classic (better specs) with the same physical size as the current one ----- just with narrower bezels, so the screen could be slightly larger.


    And I know that's almost certainly not going to happen.


    Sent from my Classic using Tapatalk 2
    10-08-15 10:35 AM
  18. thinkinfinity's Avatar
    Who would this phone appeal to?

    Probably old school users but not younger people.
    10-10-15 09:14 AM
  19. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Who would this phone appeal to?

    Probably old school users but not younger people.
    The same could be said of the PRIV. I do understand the value of the small phone. It will be interesting to see whether iPhone updates their 4 inch form factor. This is their 9900 equivalent.

    In my view sticking with the Square screen was an incredibly stupid move. Fine for the small phone concept but not for those who want a reasonably sized screen in a reasonably sized device. The PRIV seems to big for me. I would have preferred something iPhone sized when the screen was down. This is the way the market is going.

    I like the idea of having flagship phones coming in two sizes. In the case of the iPhone they should offer three sizes.



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    10-10-15 09:36 AM
  20. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    Isn't this what the PRIV will look like with the keyboard out? Except that (1) it will have a full size screen, and (2) can be made slightly more compact for storage by retracting the kb.

    But then again,.. it doesn't have a rotary phone dial so it'll be totally useless.

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    10-10-15 09:46 AM
  21. slagman5's Avatar
    Isn't this what the PRIV will look like with the keyboard out? Except that (1) it will have a full size screen, and (2) can be made slightly more compact for storage by retracting the kb.

    But then again,.. it doesn't have a rotary phone dial so it'll be totally useless.

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    Har har har, love these smart *** remarks.

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    10-10-15 11:14 AM
  22. idssteve's Avatar
    Isn't this what the PRIV will look like with the keyboard out? Except that (1) it will have a full size screen, and (2) can be made slightly more compact for storage by retracting the kb.

    But then again,.. it doesn't have a rotary phone dial so it'll be totally useless.

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    More like a Typo, IMO. But maybe you can code up a rotary dial app for touch screen hold outs clinging to their ancient finger painting touch screen skills... lol.

    Don't know much about Priv (name will be subject to some humor, no doubt) but i don't see a toolbelt. Toolbeltless Q10 was such a smashing success.

    Some of the oversized is never big enough kids wont be satisfied until their next device requires permits and escort cars to carry the thing. "Modern tech", ya know.
    10-10-15 12:02 PM
  23. slagman5's Avatar
    More like a Typo, IMO. But maybe you can code up a rotary dial app for touch screen hold outs clinging to their ancient finger painting touch screen skills... lol.

    Don't know much about Priv (name will be subject to some humor, no doubt) but i don't see a toolbelt. Toolbeltless Q10 was such a smashing success.

    Some of the oversized is never big enough kids wont be satisfied until their next device requires permits and escort cars to carry the thing. "Modern tech", ya know.
    Soon there will be some cars without a steering wheel and only some options you can pick from a touchscreen. The real "drivers" will not like it, but there will always be that group of "newer must be better" kids that'll jump all over it as if it's the best thing in the world...

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    10-11-15 03:05 AM
  24. idssteve's Avatar
    Soon there will be some cars without a steering wheel and only some options you can pick from a touchscreen. The real "drivers" will not like it, but there will always be that group of "newer must be better" kids that'll jump all over it as if it's the best thing in the world...

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    Lol... I've started appreciating power steering as age advances. . I guess every generation has its destiny with reality. In my youth, any engine less than 400 CI was "mouse sized"... even tho quite a few "mouse motors" ate more than a few Rats... lol. Gas was sometimes 19.9 when two local stations engaged in "gas wars".

    Now days any communications device that doesn't require both hands and a ladder to operate, nor wheels to carry it around, is demeaned as "old tech". Lol. Sooner or later all kids learn that reality is not virtual. And that it ALWAYS gets the final say.
    10-11-15 05:24 AM

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