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..."The new iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus powered by the Apple-designed A8 processor leave the vast majority of Android competition in the dust in terms of CPU performance and battery life, according to a series of performance benchmarks conducted by the reputable hardware review website AnandTech.
The website’s founder Anand Lal Shimpi recently joined Apple for an undisclosed role."...
Now, that IS funny. But either way, it has nothing to do with facts that he was explaining to you, it's some post from a pro-Apple web site that describes a person ...who works for apple... using words like "speculate" to describe performance.12-19-14 08:38 PMLike 0 - Then just admit that instead of some strange subject change and cheap shot about how many Classics you might find in a year from now. Why make a 3rd party observer like me point it out to you?12-19-14 08:41 PMLike 0
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basically you are saying why do we need more ram if we have a fast cpu... and im saying that having a balanced setup is better and you are questioning my degree... lmao. i said both having less ram and having a slower cpu will bump into bottlenecks. basically, if the app is a memory hog, then you wont be able to utilize your powerful cpu as you will be waiting on the drive/virtual memory/external source for the data. same applies to having a slower processor, great you have a lot of memory but you have a slow processor and you could just as well do without having so much memory as while the processor is working you could just as well load the data from other source.
=> having a balanced setup is better general else you limit the possible apps you can make for a phone12-19-14 08:53 PMLike 0 - Just Google "iPhone 6 performance" and you'll find many sources showing the same results. Here is what PhoneArena says about the RAM issue you see:
"The iPhone 5s was the first iPhone to switch to using LPDDR3 type of RAM, and the iPhone 6 continues on that tradition. All models come with 1GB of RAM, an amount that Apple has considered sufficient. We would have preferred to see 2GB in order for the phone to be more future proof, but given the way iOS handles multi-tasking, it seems that having 1GB of RAM on the iPhone 6 does not really slow down performance."
You may continue with your theories, I'm perfectly fine.12-19-14 08:54 PMLike 0 - Just Google "iPhone 6 performance" and you'll find many sources showing the same results. Here is what PhoneArena says about the RAM issue you see:
"The iPhone 5s was the first iPhone to switch to using LPDDR3 type of RAM, and the iPhone 6 continues on that tradition. All models come with 1GB of RAM, an amount that Apple has considered sufficient. We would have preferred to see 2GB in order for the phone to be more future proof, but given the way iOS handles multi-tasking, it seems that having 1GB of RAM on the iPhone 6 does not really slow down performance."
You may continue with your theories, I'm perfectly fine.
The quote you just posted might as well be exactly what dvarnai was trying to tell you about BlackBerry specs. As he just pointed out, you don't even seem know what you're posting.12-19-14 08:58 PMLike 0 - What theories? I didn't propose any. You did....about Classic phones found in a year.
The quote you just posted might as well be exactly what dvarnai was trying to tell you about BlackBerry specs. As he just pointed out, you don't even seem know what you're posting.
1. so now more ram is only good for multi tasking, okay.
2. multi tasking as in only a few selected apis are available, theres no true multi tasking, the app itself goes into a hibernated state upon minimizing it, its 4am and i dont have an iphone, but im sure if you had an app open and you minimized it, then you do stuff for an hour or so, opening multiple apps, it wont be instant to load the memory of the app back in physical memory from the virtual memory... if you can even do that at all after an hour of it being minimized
3. benchmarks dont account for memory. they are just computation heavy and the actual data they are using are either in registers or in the cache12-19-14 09:06 PMLike 0 -
btw my brother has an iphone6 but hes sleeping, thats why i said it was 4am here... cant just drive there and wake him up to prove you something that doesnt even need an iphone to prove12-19-14 09:15 PMLike 0 -
edit: btw after admitting being defeated over the fact that low amount of memory with fast cpu is no better than high memory with slow cpu now you are trying to prove im wrong over something YOU brought into this conversation and your only argument is that i dont CURRENTLY own an iphone? do you even know if i had an iphone before? also, you are looking at it from the end user's point of view, yet its something that the coders have to account for...12-19-14 09:23 PMLike 0 - Then how could you have made such an absurd claim?
You're conflating. This has nothing to do with my 2012 car X getting a massive spec upgrade from my 2006 car X. They both have a 6 cyl engine, a certain amount of torque and HP, and MPH. The 2006 have fewer toys on the dashboard though.
To be honest...I haven't noticed this. My 2014 Minivan gets the exact same mpg as it's 2007 counterpart from the same manufacturer. The acceleration is about the same, perhaps slightly peppier. That's a 7 year upgrade but barely any difference under the hood.
Your vague comparison of some possible "gas engine car" to some "older hybrid" proves nothing. Compare an apple to another apple.
Sure, they're making tiny cars with aluminum frames that turn off cylinders or change shift patterns or any other trick they can find, but they aren't really getting that gas to go much farther in the same type of vehicle. But that is similar to a phone getting better performance using the same specs because of the way the OS is using it. In other words....specs (number of cylinders or processor, ram, etc) are completely relative to the interaction with the vehicle / device.
And if you're not able to understand the comparison between gas and hybrids, here, I'll break it down to you. What is the purpose of buying a hybrid? Because it is faster? No. Because they are more stylish? No. It is because they get better gas mileage than their gasoline only cars at the time. So if a gasoline car now gets better gas mileage than a hybrid of a few years ago, then what do you think that means for a comparison between the new gasoline car versus the gasoline cars of the same year of that hybrid in my example? Think real hard about it and get back with me. :-)
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2004 Ford Mustang V6:
3.8L V6 - 190hp - 27mpg (hwy)
2005 Ford Mustang V6:
4.0L V6 - 210hp - 26mpg (hwy)
2011 Ford Mustang V6:
3.7L V6 - 305hp - 31mpg (hwy)
There you, a span of 7 years, saw a 115hp increase with a 4mpg increase. They also achieved 95hp more and 5 more mpg from an engine 0.3L smaller in displacement. If your auto manufacturer have not made the same strides, change auto makers...
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10Last edited by slagman5; 12-19-14 at 09:45 PM.
MarsupilamiX likes this.12-19-14 09:24 PMLike 1 - and different os have different CPU requirements too... lol. any app that relies on having more ram wont work on the iphone. same with the cpu, an app needing more cpu will lagg badly on the classic
your logic is flawed. if iphone is years back in terms of a component, then the OS can live with that, but if its blackberry its underspecced overpriced and the os, which can clearly handle itself with these specs is bad...?
you know that the amount of memory and the speed of the memory is one of the biggest factors that are pulling back app development nowadays... theres even a term for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random...ry#Memory_wall
The need for the 2gb of RAM on the bb10 devices is due to the hub and multitasking. The bb will allow more things to run in the background as opposed to the iPhone. Because of this it will need more ram. Example you can play a video as an active frame after going home on the iPhone this is not possible.
Again, I don't think the Q10 was slow with the snapdragon s4. But it isn't a speed demon nowadays and that will only get worse over the next couple yrs as bb10 grows and becomes more resource taxing.
Stating that a phone with these specs should be going for $450 is a little hard to understand when looking at things logically. It is basically a q10 with a toolbelt and some old feature brought back. The oneplus one goes for $350 unlocked and has far better components.12-19-14 09:26 PMLike 0 - The iPhone now uses a 64bit architecture and their phones are constantly bench marking as fast or faster than top of the line quad core devices. This is not true with the snapdragon s4 that the classic is using. It's not a new chip like the iPhone, it is a chip from 3 yrs ago.
The need for the 2gb of RAM on the bb10 devices is due to the hub and multitasking. The bb will allow more things to run in the background as opposed to the iPhone. Because of this it will need more ram. Example you can play a video as an active frame after going home on the iPhone this is not possible.
Again, I don't think the Q10 was slow with the snapdragon s4. But it isn't a speed demon nowadays and that will only get worse over the next couple yrs as bb10 grows and becomes more resource taxing.
Stating that a phone with these specs should be going for $450 is a little hard to understand when looking at things logically. It is basically a q10 with a toolbelt and some old feature brought back. The oneplus one goes for $350 unlocked and has far better components.12-19-14 09:30 PMLike 0 -
And you are constantly wrong. You can't even compare A8 with 1GB RAM with MSM8960 with 2GB RAM. A8 is at least 4 times faster in everything. This is the reality. Forget about general theories. They are good for taking your exams only. Apple engineers know what they are doing, believe it or not.12-19-14 09:39 PMLike 0 - I don't remember admitting like this. It all depends on technology used. Different systems have different requirements, that's all. This conversation started with a statement that iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM is 2012 specs, remember? No, it's not. Even with 1GB of RAM it's still one of the fastest devices on a mobile market, including app switching. BlackBerry multitasking is no better than Android widgets, active frames and widgets do the same. I can tell from experience, that even HTC Desire 601 has better performance than BlackBerry Q10/Z10 simply because of the better OS. And it has 1GB RAM too. Good night!
And you are constantly wrong. You can't even compare A8 with 1GB RAM with MSM8960 with 2GB RAM. A8 is at least 4 times faster in everything. This is the reality. Forget about general theories. They are good for taking your exams only. Apple engineers know what they are doing, believe it or not.
Android widgets have always(in my experience) added the need for more ram. I hated using widgets, not just for their clunky operation, but for the resources they'd hog.12-19-14 09:48 PMLike 0 - I don't remember admitting like this. It all depends on technology used. Different systems have different requirements, that's all. This conversation started with a statement that iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM is 2012 specs, remember? No, it's not. Even with 1GB of RAM it's still one of the fastest devices on a mobile market, including app switching. BlackBerry multitasking is no better than Android widgets, active frames and widgets do the same. I can tell from experience, that even HTC Desire 601 has better performance than BlackBerry Q10/Z10 simply because of the better OS. And it has 1GB RAM too. Good night!
"and different os have different CPU requirements too... lol."
and your reply to that:
"When you buy a computer what you are looking for? Just enough hardware to rum the OS only? I usually run some programs on it, don't know about you. "
your iphone can only fully run a single app at a time. great, enjoy your 1gb of ram
and the fact that you think active frames or widgets count as multi tasking of apps clearly shows you have no idea what you are talking about
edit: also, if your iphone is so great at multitasking, please do either the following or at least show me that a calculation would run in the background if you minimze the app:
edit2: its high time you admit 1gb of ram is a bottleneck and it prevents having true multitasking like the one on the video or the one that bb10 has12-19-14 09:50 PMLike 0 - Bold is selling for 450 currently to BES users. Therefore the classic which is the bold upgrade is a good price at 450.
That's all it is being compared to... if your willing to pay for the bold (target audience) your willing to pay for the classic.
Posted via CB1012-19-14 09:56 PMLike 0 - Its asinine in a BlackBerry Classic thread to compare and discuss an even ridiculous topic of an Apple 64-bit mobile processor using only 1 GB of ram. Have we not learned from years past of the lack of benefit to using no less than 4GB of ram?
The mobile culture has people gnashing their teeth over very dumb things.
Posted via CB1012-19-14 10:02 PMLike 0 - I don't remember admitting like this. It all depends on technology used. Different systems have different requirements, that's all. This conversation started with a statement that iPhone 6 with 1GB of RAM is 2012 specs, remember? No, it's not. Even with 1GB of RAM it's still one of the fastest devices on a mobile market, including app switching. BlackBerry multitasking is no better than Android widgets, active frames and widgets do the same. I can tell from experience, that even HTC Desire 601 has better performance than BlackBerry Q10/Z10 simply because of the better OS. And it has 1GB RAM too. Good night!
And you are constantly wrong. You can't even compare A8 with 1GB RAM with MSM8960 with 2GB RAM. A8 is at least 4 times faster in everything. This is the reality. Forget about general theories. They are good for taking your exams only. Apple engineers know what they are doing, believe it or not.12-19-14 10:06 PMLike 0 - And you are constantly wrong. You can't even compare A8 with 1GB RAM with MSM8960 with 2GB RAM. A8 is at least 4 times faster in everything. This is the reality. Forget about general theories. They are good for taking your exams only. Apple engineers know what they are doing, believe it or not.
also apple engineers wont change the fact that 1gb ram is simply not enough for specific apps. might be enough for most, but then the slow cpu of the classic is just as enough for most of the apps12-19-14 10:18 PMLike 0
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