- I was going to tell you about ..."The limited app selection is a bit bummer, but the square aspect ratio is going to be a bigger problem, as a lot of Android apps just look odd in a square format. There's a fix of sorts: if you swipe down from the top of the screen in BlackBerry 10.3.1, you'll call up an app's menu. When you're running Android apps, you'll see a prompt for "Size" -- tap it, and you'll be able to choose from three different screen ratio presets, which might help things a tad."
But in vain I guess.
Posted from my SEXY Q10 that I'd STILL be using IF I could find my FRACKING BANKING APP on BBW. And no I won't put Android apps here so don't EVEN go there!!!!12-18-14 09:27 AMLike 0 - I've been thinking about the specs a lot. I think it comes down to this. Upgrading the the hardware itself would only have a marginal cost of maybe $10-$20 phone. However, BB's cost to actually design a whole new system, optimize the drivers, work out bugs, etc would be much greater than this. If there was literally a drop in processor replacement and they could use all the other same components, they probably would have taken it. Without that option though, they're really stuck in a hard spot. Making some new plastic molds and repopulating a circuit board are a lot cheaper than implementing a whole new architecture.app_Developer likes this.12-18-14 09:45 AMLike 1
- Not sure why the non-removable battery is an issue... I've had my Z30 for a year and i've had to do a hard reset like... once or twice? At least few enough times that I don't remember how to do it, lol. Never had it lock up on me so bad that I couldn't get it restarted.
Proof that "Battery pulls" are a thing of the past for BlackBerry.thymaster and jaydee5799 like this.12-18-14 10:01 AMLike 2 -
For example in the PC world computer manufacturers will sell a similarly spec'd out PC as last years model. slightly improved (which the Classic is slightly improved: larger screen, larger battery, tool belt, etc.) with a redesign of how all the specs work together like a improved motherboard chipset, etc. and sell it for the new PC price. Folks buy it. The model works. If you as the customer don't see the logic or the value at $449 don't buy it right away and wait for the price to drop. The Q10 came out at $599. It is now $399. BlackBerry is doing a much better job of pricing their handsets with the release of the Passport and the Classic in my opinion. I've been a BB customer for 10 years so I get it.
Regards to the cheap plastic backside. How do you know how much it costs? making a durable plastic component that is durable and nice to the touch comes at a costs. Plastic is not always chosen because it is cheaper. It can be chosen for weight purposes, durability, etc.
In your comment you sound like a spoiled kid who wants to be able to speak with adults and thinks to be wiser than they are but doesn't notice what the grown-ups are really talking about.myfiremanishuge likes this.12-18-14 10:02 AMLike 1 - The price it likely to pay for the toolbelt specific R&D and dev time as well..
Posted via CB10Bluenoser63 likes this.12-18-14 10:05 AMLike 1 - The specs don't warrant the thing launching let alone at the price it's at. Can you all stop being so protective of BlackBerry and admit they REALLY messed up here? That or they're still incompetent launching ancient hardware where new SoCs are soooooo much faster and efficient.
This is BlackBerry milking customers if it's old chip stock which is great if you are a stockholder but a rip off as a consumer.
This is the Z10 in a new shell in terms of specs... sad.
Posted via CB10Maxxxpower and tw1g_007 like this.12-18-14 10:12 AMLike 2 - OP. More reading and less posting on things like this will save you a lot of grief. The search button is your friend.12-18-14 10:16 AMLike 0
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I'm just very disappointed in BlackBerry right now... I'd buy a Z10 replacement with better specs but right now it's either super size to the passport or stick with the Z10.
Posted via CB1012-18-14 10:16 AMLike 0 - Not sure why the non-removable battery is an issue... I've had my Z30 for a year and i've had to do a hard reset like... once or twice? At least few enough times that I don't remember how to do it, lol. Never had it lock up on me so bad that I couldn't get it restarted.
Proof that "Battery pulls" are a thing of the past for BlackBerry.
Specs mean very little unless you want to play big games and if that's the case buy a Nexus 6.
Classic is a work machine optimized for battery life, security, durability and productivity.
Posted via CB1012-18-14 10:25 AMLike 0 - The thing is Mercedes won't come out with a 100hp c class and call it great and sell it for 40,000. No one cares what the R&D cost was if the product is WAYYYYY sub-par in some way. IPhones I would argue have been the benchmark of smooth for a while and yet they keep updating the SoC.
I'm just very disappointed in BlackBerry right now... I'd buy a Z10 replacement with better specs but right now it's either super size to the passport or stick with the Z10.
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Posted via CB10ponpiri likes this.12-18-14 10:28 AMLike 1 - BlackBerry should be ashamed of themselfs selling this phone for that much money with a 3 year old processor.
Total Ripoff from Blackberry
Z10 (red) OS10.2.2.1609 Q5 (red) OS10.3.0.141812-18-14 10:58 AMLike 2 - At launch: high end phones sell at $600-1000, mid range sell at $400-500 and low range sell at $100-300
this is a mid range device so it's at a good stand point.
Right now it's $50 for a 2 year contract, in a month or 2 it will be down to $0 for 2 years.
you are a bit delusional OP, I'm really hard on BlackBerry (especially with their OS development) as you see in these forums but you are referring to the price and quality of the Z3DYLANHABKIRK likes this.12-18-14 11:02 AMLike 1 -
Explain how it's a "ripoff" - just because the tech is slightly older, doesn't mean it's a bad deal. It seems all you folks whining about the specs and cost aren't even considering how much it actually costs BlackBerry to manufacture a phone.
It's NOT cheap.
You can't charge $200 for a device that costs you $200 to manufacture - not to mention Chen even said this himself (they can't make devices that cheap at the moment. This is BlackBerry - not OnePlus).
Also, the device isn't for specs folks, it's for Enterprise users who need a device that simply works, and suits their needs -- and that's been stated over and over.
Take a chill pill.
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Explain how it's a "ripoff" - just because the tech is slightly older, doesn't mean it's a bad deal. It seems all you folks whining about the specs and cost aren't even considering how much it actually costs BlackBerry to manufacture a phone.
It's NOT cheap.
You can't charge $200 for a device that costs you $200 to manufacture - not to mention Chen even said this himself (they can't make devices that cheap at the moment. This is BlackBerry - not OnePlus).
Also, the device isn't for specs folks, it's for Enterprise users who need a device that simply works, and suits their needs -- and that's been stated over and over.
Take a chill pill.
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The Z10 was okay because it wasn't too far behind but the classic is just pathetic in specs. A modern SoC would use much less power and give better battery life. You can't tell me enterprise doesn't like battery life.
No one cares if the next BMW 328i costs 60k to manufacture and BMW needs to make a profit. If I'm not going to buy that car for that price then I'm not going to buy it, manufacturer profits be damned. It's just not how the economy works... The consumer should not care how much it costs to make. If it's not worth it to them then they won't buy it.
PS. 2 years is not slightly older in the ARM SoC world. It's an eternity.
Posted via CB10Maxxxpower likes this.12-18-14 12:02 PMLike 1 - Not sure why the non-removable battery is an issue... I've had my Z30 for a year and i've had to do a hard reset like... once or twice? At least few enough times that I don't remember how to do it, lol. Never had it lock up on me so bad that I couldn't get it restarted.
Proof that "Battery pulls" are a thing of the past for BlackBerry.
I actually started to get random reboots on my Z10 and I think it was due to the battery losing the connection.
I haven't actually done it, but it doesn't look to be all that hard to replace a Z30 battery if need be. Non-removable just means non-removable by normal people on the fly. Necessarily that it's soldered on or anything.12-18-14 12:17 PMLike 0 - Compared to the 9900 that enterprise is rocking right now the Classic will be a huge improvement - for those users that can not be weaned from their PKB.
A bonus for us BB10 owners is that it is likely that BlackBerry 10 OS updates should apply to the current models a little longer than they might have or so you would think.
$449 is an OK price just not a great price. I would hope that fleet buyers get a discount.Bluenoser63 likes this.12-18-14 12:29 PMLike 1 -
When it comes to my tools of the trade, I pay what it costs to buy the quality I need. Most professionals and small business owners are the same way. The market for the Classic may be bigger than you think because a lot of us who have been waiting on the Classic aren't enterprise-type users and never will be.
If you don't "get" what the Classic is designed to do and don't have needs that the Classic addresses, don't buy it! To me, all these criticisms and specification arguments, while ignoring the device's actual performance of its designed purposes, simply show the poster is either not in the target market or just posting stuff for kicks.Bluenoser63 likes this.12-18-14 12:34 PMLike 1 - Haha, funny how the fanboys are trying to defend the 2012 hardware and the high price tag. Never understood people who defend every decision of a manufacturer just because the identify themselves with a certain brand. One can use a phone and still be able to have an objective view on it...JoseMercedes likes this.12-18-14 12:50 PMLike 1
- The specs don't warrant the thing launching let alone at the price it's at. Can you all stop being so protective of BlackBerry and admit they REALLY messed up here? That or they're still incompetent launching ancient hardware where new SoCs are soooooo much faster and efficient.
This is BlackBerry milking customers if it's old chip stock which is great if you are a stockholder but a rip off as a consumer.
This is the Z10 in a new shell in terms of specs... sad.
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1012-18-14 12:58 PMLike 0 -
- Remember Chen's statement about designing the Classic. He stated there was a lot of development necessary to add these buttons. Therefore it is reasonable to expect that they spent a lot on R&D.
I see absolutely no problem with the 450. I'll be getting one. And I'm generally thought of as a troll around these parts. Therefore there should be no problems for folks here.
Remember Enterprise gets discounts per negotiated contracts. My refresh SG5 for work cost the feds 500. So Enterprise are likely to get a price break, therefore they won't mind the cost.
Posted from my SEXY Q10 that I'd STILL be using IF I could find my FRACKING BANKING APP on BBW. And no I won't put Android apps here so don't EVEN go there!!!!
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