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- kbz1960Doesn't MatterI think it is unfair to start the release cycle clock for the Classic from the launch of the Q10. The Classic was clearly created by Chen after he became CEO and was asking enterprise customers what they wanted.
I have seen no evidence that the Classic was in development prior to Chen taking over.
To put this in perspective, the Foxconn deal was already in negotiations, Chen just wrapped them up and put the Z3 on the quick release road map. It uses existing hardware and does not require almost any OS modifications. Much easier to have a quick roll out of the Z3, but it can't be rushed otherwise sales will suffer if the release is not coordinated and the experience is poor.
The Classic requires a much larger OS overhaul to give the tool belt value. The biggest issue I see is making the menu button due something useful throughout the OS and apps. Also making the back button work as expected from BlackBerry OS7 (since that is where the Classic users will be coming from).
The Classic also CANNOT launch with any bugs or hardware issues. It must go through full testing and CANNOT be launched prematurely. This is a workhorse device for enterprise. They aren't going to tolerate a device with problems, they want to purchase Classics for 2+ year deployments.
Posted via CB1004-21-14 09:46 AMLike 0 - People say things like "The problem with the Q20 / Classic is that they have to make major modifications to BB10 for it."
Yet, these same people are too completely terrified to even TRY to describe what "major modifications" are required.
It irritates me, because ALMOST NO MODIFICATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED. ALMOST NONE. And, any that ARE made will be "invisible" to those on devices that don't have the Belt.
Just one little example that would have a large impact. In the 9900, you have the ability to move from field to field with the trackpad. That does not exist and will have to be developed. A driver needs to be designed for the trackpad. That driver needs to do multiple things and will need to send events to the OS/GUI. Those events need to be defined and then added to every control in the UI. This is not a simple task as there is ZERO functionality to support this in the current OS. It will be all new. So please don't try to minimize the changes that need to be done when you don't have any clue to them.04-21-14 09:59 AMLike 2 - Sorry but your statement is false and I'll tell you why.
I too have a Q10 and it will perform tasks or actions faster when using the physical keys than my Z10 and now Z30. I have all 3 phones and I know what the Q10 does better than a Z30 and vice versa. The OS has provisioning for physical key input already and it will always be more responsive because its input is individual rather than combined with the screen input and how it's data is prioritized.
If anything, the belt will only enhance the fine tuning aspects of the OS such as touching the trackpad to quickly bring up a cursor to select point of selection or entry point for text. The current method of interaction from the Q10 is superior but I can see where it can see an improvement. However they still need to make the OS faster at responding to when you want to put the cursor somewhere specifically, or getting the edit circle to appear. Q20 will be a hit in its intended marketplace.
Z30 is the most superior touch device though. Z10 is the iPhone killer with its size and one handed use. People really don't know how amazing BlackBerry is today.
Posted via CB1004-21-14 10:02 AMLike 0 - I'd love it if the trackpad is a virtual one that one can turn off! after all I guess they might want to cater for both current BBOS users and Q10 owners with the Classic!
CB10 + my Q2^3+2Savior4Life likes this.04-21-14 10:31 AMLike 1 -
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1004-21-14 10:46 AMLike 0 - The 'classic' may or may not woo back corporate professionals, but I fear BlackBerry is going to be an even more niche player in an already niche area here with this revamped 'classic'. Nothing I see to really get excited about. Keyboard phones are dead to the mass market, and only the die hard BlackBerry fans seem to want these dinosaur phones around still.
Careful! Z10 in action!
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Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1004-21-14 10:52 AMLike 0 - Yah, all of those nitwits that want the tool belt. I can't believe some people are dumb enough to not have the exact same opinions as you...
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10Legal Eagle likes this.04-21-14 10:57 AMLike 1 - It's a too little to late phone, released yet again late. Sure it will appeal to those stuck in the past from os7. But in no way is this phone going to turn things around.
The amount this will sell it's not going to generate positive cash flow.
When a company is well behind any product cycles it slides further and further into nothingness.
A time machine going back to cater to the old os7 users is the final death sentence. I look at it as catering to VHS users. Eventually that market all but dried up.
Much will be the fate of releasing yet another outdated flop phone. Catering to the past era..
You're not innovating going backwards like blackberry is. They're simply throwing things out there hoping something sticks!
Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB1004-21-14 11:00 AMLike 0 -
- BB10 already fully and proficiently supports navigation using a bluetooth/usb mouse with a cursor in case many didn't realise. Adding track pad controls wouldn't really be any challenge since it can function in exactly the same manner. They might add some stuff but it's not like they would have to start from scratch to allow track pad control. I can see the track pad being very useful in situations where the device is hooked up to a projector, monitor or TV via HDMI or Miracast and the device can be easily used as a mini desktop/laptop replacement without the need for an additional mouse / keyboard. That would be one advantage real-world advantage over the touchscreen only paradigm because using a touchscreen only to control mirrored content while not looking at the touchscreen is difficult to near impossible to do proficiently.
Posted via CB1004-21-14 11:18 AMLike 0 - Given the amount BBRY has already written down because of the disaster that is the Z10, it's probably a little more accurate to call the Z10 the BB-killer rather than the iPhone killer.Savior4Life and Drew808 like this.04-21-14 11:38 AMLike 2
- I think it is unfair to start the release cycle clock for the Classic from the launch of the Q10. The Classic was clearly created by Chen after he became CEO and was asking enterprise customers what they wanted.
I have seen no evidence that the Classic was in development prior to Chen taking over.
To put this in perspective, the Foxconn deal was already in negotiations, Chen just wrapped them up and put the Z3 on the quick release road map. It uses existing hardware and does not require almost any OS modifications. Much easier to have a quick roll out of the Z3, but it can't be rushed otherwise sales will suffer if the release is not coordinated and the experience is poor.
The Classic requires a much larger OS overhaul to give the tool belt value. The biggest issue I see is making the menu button due something useful throughout the OS and apps. Also making the back button work as expected from BlackBerry OS7 (since that is where the Classic users will be coming from).
The Classic also CANNOT launch with any bugs or hardware issues. It must go through full testing and CANNOT be launched prematurely. This is a workhorse device for enterprise. They aren't going to tolerate a device with problems, they want to purchase Classics for 2+ year deployments.
Posted via CB10Savior4Life likes this.04-21-14 11:38 AMLike 1 - BB10 on a higher spec'd BOLD - it better have a UMA chip (no poor wifi calling app BB!) and BIS availability as option.
Because BIS and UMA really took Blackberry above anyone else, then the started shaving all the goodness away, if the Classic really is 'BB classic' BBOS or BB10 it best have all the greatness of secure connectivity everywhere at affordable data costs - the networks under BB10 have a licence to rape end users bank accounts for data.
Chen if you get Classic right, BB will prevail !04-21-14 11:49 AMLike 0 - I really hope that the delay, as many have stated is to get the UI updated and working well with having physical buttons. Coming from WebOS land- having a home button to equate to the swipe up is really useful- physical buttons always-ALWAYS provide a better responce than virtual or even captawhatever I cant spell... you know.
the geastures should remain, but pressing on the home/main/scroll button should minimize and take me to the window/tile view- I hope that they reconsider and take this chance to move back to a webos/playbook card style view and multi-tasking.
the hub is nice, but really annoying and it follows a completely different flow and geasture navigation to the rest of the os... imo it should be removed and made into a better toast notification system- but allow the actual full use of the apps to be like all others etc.
I will most likely get a Q10 now on verizon edge and pay the difference of 50% owed come the release of the classic... I do not foresee any android or iphone 6 wooing me...04-21-14 12:00 PMLike 0 - kbz1960Doesn't MatterBB10 on a higher spec'd BOLD - it better have a UMA chip (no poor wifi calling app BB!) and BIS availability as option.
Because BIS and UMA really took Blackberry above anyone else, then the started shaving all the goodness away, if the Classic really is 'BB classic' BBOS or BB10 it best have all the greatness of secure connectivity everywhere at affordable data costs - the networks under BB10 have a licence to rape end users bank accounts for data.
Chen if you get Classic right, BB will prevail !04-21-14 12:08 PMLike 0 -
It's just that BBOS7 was so easy to use and why give up it just for the trackpad if they are still hanging on to their phones. Obviously they don`t care about the apps.
People that use BBOS7 still (like my dad which is an example of a big enterprise person):
1. don't care about anything that the new BB10/android/apple which is the reason why they are still hanging onto their phone.
2. they love how easy it is
3. a lot of little features makes it superior to them BB10 with 10.2.1 starting getting a few but BB10 is still missing a lot of the key features.
4. BIS - my dad only uses linkedin, facebook, bbm. He doesn't want to go buy data
5. buying BBOS7 is dirt cheap now especially for developing countries, BIS overlaps with this as well
If BB10 opened up the theme API they can make it like Playbook OS for the BBOS7/PBOS theme. Horizontal active frames like I said at the end of last page. This can help change the look. Being able to activate a virtual trackpad (ALL of BELT) which works exactly the same would help. Try it yourself http://appworld.blackberry.com/webst...ode=US&lang=en
The trackpad isn't the only reason why people haven't upgraded yet, if you think that then you need to open your eyes04-21-14 12:27 PMLike 0 - When I see thousands of members posting they want this then I'll believe they might be on track. With only a handful or even hundreds then not so much. BBRY couldn't pay me to go back to BIS unless they find a way for it to not be a bottleneck and restrict file sizes to nothing.
Us trackpad nuts have been waiting 3 years for a new model from RIM and we still get utterly irrational resistance from trolls here in our own little q20 corner of CB. The Z's failure is not OUR fault!! If the Z hasn't drawn iPhone kids into BlackBerry by now, after neglecting legacy for 3 yrs, it isn't going to happen. Sorry. RIM lost that battle with the ill fated Storm and the Z has failed to recover that ground. RIM is bleeding. The only thing left for RIM is the niche market.Ray III likes this.04-21-14 12:53 PMLike 1 -
Only in the limited imagination of someone who can't implement an elegantly simple solution.
You should look at this:
No, it won't.
Well, I reserve the right to minimize them if you're going to go out of your way to maximize them.app_Developer and lnichols like this.04-21-14 12:57 PMLike 2 - No it was always coming in the fall. The problem with the Q20 / Classic is that they have to make major modifications to BB10 for it. BB10 was built from the ground up as a gesture based OS, and now they are adding a trackpad and menu button to it. Two things that it was never designed for
Posted via CB1004-21-14 01:14 PMLike 0 - Hopefully BlackBerry is following the Montgomery Scott approach to setting expectations:
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